Cheers. Bye-bye. Thanks, bye-bye.

You’re the best.

Hey, thanks a lot. It’s just really, thanks a lot.

Super nice, thanks. Then let me reach out to you again by email or so. We can take it from there.

I’m on my phone, and by the way, Audrey, my phone battery is almost dead. I managed to not charge it well. The half an hour is almost done. Let me, thanks a lot. Can you share the call later, the recording, or something?

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of the talent circulation. I’m going to look that up and reach out. I’m also aiming to meet up with them in Boston next week. I’ll try to get that going, and I’ll try to give you some feedback by email or so.

Yes. Actually, I’ve met with him once or twice here, and also Victoria.

Yes. In Boston, that’s the one it is, actually, right. I call it the…Yeah.

How do you see that? Again, just back to the consulates. What could be done more, or what do you see their role?

That being said, I’m talking with MassChallenge, where I’m an expert, whatever that means. That’s just a title they give you. It doesn’t mean much. [laughs] You don’t have to accept it. I’m also thinking of helping their colleagues, the existing relationship with Taiwan, I think that program that they’re ...

Every consulate of every country struggles, but how do you think that could be used better or more as a beachhead into not necessarily just the academics, but also into tapping the local startups abroad, bring the Taiwanese startups abroad, and vice-versa?

The word is spreading, I can assure you, yeah. [laughs] Interesting, OK. I’m based in Boston now for three years. I think what still is a, slightly switching topics, but what I can tell the local offices, Taipei representations or quasi consulates are still struggling, which is normal.

Which is a standard strategy, and I think it’s a proven one, so we should be doing as well from Taiwan. I agree. By the way, I can tell you that for the Web Conference and other ones, this works, because I have a couple of friends or colleagues at ...

I’m always talking about data and identity. What’s your view on that? What is it you do? What’s left to do?

Right. What about Taiwan internationally. Can it contribute with its positive experience bottom-up? There’s always room to do more internationally, not just as a recipient of standards, but also as a contributor to standards.

At the same time, standards matter. You were also talking about FIDO. You were talking about other standards, or you were talking about the, your said your position with the…

Interesting. When you say that it comes bottom-up, I can see that historically. I think Taiwan is really, it’s not the only country that has that, but it’s one of the few countries where it’s very, very clearly like bottom-up was necessary, and it worked.

How do you see that in the future, and also, what’s the current status?

That makes a lot of sense. It’s not the Taiwan-only kind of approach. Absolutely. A question that’s super interesting. I’m learning a lot. Thanks, Audrey. Question, is there an underlying data strategy to the different bits and pieces that you just mentioned, or is it more bottom-up, that we have ...

Then obviously, interoperability, but also, how agnostic are these systems? Would they be bound to one blockchain or several? Would it be open in the sense that other people could add their identity concepts on top of a fundamental structure? How do you see that?

[laughs] Thanks a lot, Audrey. That was very useful. I think a lot of work has been done, and is being done, and I think that’s quite impressive. When you talk about decentralizing, I think, not edge cases, but edge concepts are…