Awesome.

Great. I’m going to publish on Friday.

Thank you so much.

Those are my questions.

I see. Great.

Is there anything else you want to tell me about this subject? These are my questions.

Fair enough.

That’s for younger people, but I feel like older people are the problem. What can be done to get older people more media literate, more tech literate in Taiwan?

Where are these pilot classes?

Back to social media literacy, it’s getting taught in schools, presumably, now. I had a journalist call up a couple of schools. They haven’t implemented it yet.

If it’s Google Translated...

Do you think you’ll stop with English?

How important is English? Do you have any idea like when people access government websites what percentage is in Chinese? What percentage is in English?

The National Police Agency, it’s godawful.

It really depends on the government department, too, in very unexpected ways. The agriculture, the website’s perfect in English.

Speaking of that, how would you rate Taiwan’s e-government right now?

Great.

What else have you been working on lately?

OK. What advice would you give to ordinary citizens looking to keep their data private?

Do you have any idea who would be overseeing this or who would know about this specifically?

[laughs] Fair enough.

You’re sure?

Cambridge Analytica themself, their parent company said on their website that they’d worked for some campaign in Taiwan somewhere around 2010 or before. Do you have any idea who this is, or do you know anybody who might know?

I’m over that.

You’re not running?

You have no idea?

Individual election campaigns, presumably, will have their own operations.

It’s pretty widespread.

Do you have any idea how widespread this is?

Nobody has been able to give me concrete numbers on this. I’ve talked to a lot of people who have said that many government agencies had their own Facebook social data scraping, Facebook and other.

The LINE and Facebook? True.

Especially Malaysia now. Who is collecting the most data from Taiwanese citizens?

Do you think the act goes far enough, the privacy act going through legislature right now?

Do you think the act goes far enough?

I’ve talked to a couple of people in Taiwan. When I’ve asked them for practical things the Taiwanese people can do to keep their data safe, they talk very heavily about anything coming from China. You should never put WeChat on your phone. You should never use a Chinese phone. ...

Fair enough. The other half of this that I really want to get into is the use of...When the Cambridge Analytica story broke, everybody was talking about psychometrics and how they’d scraped all of this Facebook data. Do you think people’s private Facebook data is easily available for sale in ...

I think people can tell the difference, too, when something comes from Taiwan and when it doesn’t.

You don’t think so? Why not?

Do you think propaganda specifically coming from China is a big concern?

What do you think the state of media literacy in Taiwan is at the moment?

Do you think Taiwan’s well prepared, in general?

What’s going on with it now? Has it been implemented?

Yeah, as far as I can tell. 2014 was the big watershed, especially Ko Wen-je’s campaign. There’s been endless academic literature about that. Something specifically with you I want to ask about is, the social media literacy campaign. I know you’ve been working on this quite a while.

Again, not much writing that went on.

All of this together, I think it’s really going to change the environment between 2014, 2018, and 2020.

This story I’m writing, it’s largely about the use of Facebook, other social media in the upcoming campaign. Everybody wrote about it in 2014, but since then there hasn’t been much that people have said about it. Things have really changed since then. There’s been the Cambridge Analytica thing. Facebook ...