There’s some advantage they’re getting like how Delaware companies are so popular in the United States.

Thank you. Go ahead.

Some of the same agencies have the net zero or the green recommendations. It sounds like you’re harmonized with those. I was curious if you knew if there was any other effort to try and harmonize on the labor side as well.

I’m compliant with local law. I’m not compliant with what are currently voluntary regulations, but are on track to become required regulations. It’s often put Taiwan at a disadvantage versus China or Southeast Asia where they have harmonized their labor laws.

One of the things we run across all the time is with the Responsible Business Alliance, which is based on the Euro regs, and the Taiwan local regulations are out of sync. As we try to bring our local partners online, we’re consistently running afoul of what compliant…

Manufacturing labor statutes.

No.

Out of curiosity, and this is a bit of an aside, are you doing the same thing around harmonizing around international labor statutes as well? Do you know?

If you include foreign remote work in your thing, how do you account for that in the Taiwan net zero?

Is it harmonized with the EU regs or the REA?

I know in the US, or because of some of the new EU regulations in that area, the rules are the same for small enterprises as they are for large. I’m seeing a lot of not the very smallest – because the very smallest ignore it for a while – ...

Thank goodness.

Is there a tiered set of rules?

Is that a new set of local requirements, the carbon accounting?

Is there a process to getting qualified and list data as a cloud service there?

That’s T-Cloud, you said?

I think that’s the accelerator that they need to get fully off the ground as a community of startups. It’s the community so small here on its own, it has to learn how to leverage outside.

That’s working OK, but I’m trying to encourage people who are starting small businesses here, or who are doing the startups here. A lot of the business leaders that I work with in manufacturing are funding these little startups. I’m trying to figure out how to encourage them to look ...

I’m doing two things. One is, personally, it’s bringing members of the Taiwan engineering community into Cisco, or into some of the others I’m working.

Pandemic has given everybody a good chance to not care where people are, and start to…I’ll call it onboard Western talent or onboard US talent into a Taiwanese venture, but I can’t seem to get traction for that idea. I’m curious if you have any ideas how I can better ...

Even worse than that, I’ve been working with small startups here. The talent pool here is quite small by numericals. They’re very hesitant to try and pull in remote talent.

I’ve seen it get hitched several times on this idea that US companies are hesitant to use Taiwanese engineering talent, especially the software talent, because of the stigma of offshoring. Even though it’s not an offshoring engine here, people think of it as being all or nothing. You either have ...

Exactly. I’m taking advantage of that. Coming here for the last 15 years, what I’ve consistently heard is this drive to port Taiwan to more of an information economy. It’s like a wave, it rises and falls, and rises and falls.

What it is for me is I’ve had a lot of success in traditional infrastructure work here. We use a JDM model. We practically borrow the teams here. We obviously leverage the factories here. That model has been working, but that’s been Taiwan’s model for – what? – 20, 30, ...

It’s all over the place because the time zones are flexible. It’s mostly West Coast.

The other thing is I’ve been trying to develop the coworking model between the US and Taiwan technical resources for a long time. I was curious if you had any insights for me, or potential areas of cooperation with any group here on how to get the two working cultures ...

We do two things here in Taiwan. One is the sales side is delivering to try and equalize the big company and little company stuff. We’re always looking for a way to reach out and hit the small to medium size. If there’s any ideas there, I’m open to that.

That makes sense. Thank you for explaining that. It was hard to understand. I read the Wiki on the process. I appreciate the invitation to come in following the APEC Summit. I’m not on the sales side, so I’m not here to pitch any specific collab. I don’t know. Did ...

You have to opt-out of it.

You do have the ability to go and…

That was going to be my question about it is we think about transparency a lot in business. Always, you’re running across these decisions, or HR-related things, or security-related matters. I can only imagine it’s worse in government. How do you get around that? You’re being so transparent, is it?

That makes sense.

That’s great. You’ve seen some of the other departments have adopted partially, but nobody’s gone as far as you have…

Interesting. Your department is the only department that’s adopted that?

I see. They come in specifically to lobby you. It gets them free airtime…

How much viewership do you normally get?