Can we have a photo here?

Most likely, the boundary will come back in November. We may have a bit more engagement time at the end. We have also mentioned to the Fisheries Agency that we would love to have another three-party meeting or conference. We will say three-party, meaning government, industry, and workers. Andrew was ...

Finally, just to share a little bit about the future plan. The campaign will continue. For the next few months, the plan is to go to Europe, but soon to Japan.In Europe, there will be meetings between FNPCO, the UN bodies for the agriculture organization. We will have some meetings ...

Okay, thank you, Audrey.

So, for the last time, of course we understand the personal use of Wi-Fi which is really valuable. But for us, it would be really wonderful if your department can also strategize and support.

Also, the Tuna and Longline Association in Donggang. They have around 500 fishing vessels. Out of the 500, around 100 is not being operated, and another 100 has Wi-Fi now. So, it’s basically one quarter of the operation vessels actually has Wi-Fi. Again, the question is if they are actually ...

There is one called the Speed and Sour Association, and you have the Jojo Association. All their vessels have Wi-Fi. But they also make it clear that because of the captains that need to use Wi-Fi facility, they don’t necessarily share their Wi-Fi. So that’s a really easy step by ...

I also want to share a little bit about the completion rate now. So as Jonathan mentioned, there are several different associations.

Even when they are using their own phone calls, it should still be paid by the…

That’s the reason why, if it’s possible, for NGOs to help them install that kind of technology before they go out on the high sea, Then maybe there’s a chance. But otherwise, to imagine fishermen to be able to handle that process, it can take some time to achieve. That’s ...

So for example, we tried to do a survey of the 500 fishermen. We did it on a Google survey sheet. It’s not possible to just send them a sheet and imagine them to be able to fill it out by themselves. Actually, it has to come to them face ...

The reason why we don’t mention it that much in the draft of the briefing is that the majority of the fishermen, based on what I understand, they have quite basic technology literacy.

As long as the ship owners are okay with it, they might just go directly to Starlink themselves. It’s more convenient. What they’re worried about is being on the wrong side of the law.

Right now, it’s in Kaohsiung and in other providers. In Taiwan, like Inmarsat, Eutelsat, and Iridium, these are the three major technologies that are available for Taiwanese agencies. Neither Chunghwa Telecom nor other private companies are acting as distributors for Starlink services. So vessel owners can’t purchase it in Taiwan; ...

But the ship owners believed that they’re not able to turn it on if they’re within 12 nautical miles, so they wait until they’re beyond it.

I haven’t talked to them about this.

Yes.

The services aren’t really needed when the vessels are in port. The fishermen need it more when they’re out in the open sea. So it’s not a huge issue if satellite communication services don’t have as much coverage on land in Taiwan. As long as they know that such services ...

Got it.

So I just want to check. The ship owner thought it was illegal, so he was dissatisfied about it, and he bought it outside of Taiwan himself. But it seems that it’s not actually illegal in Taiwan. If more people went to buy it themselves, there would be no problem ...

From this conversation, my understanding is that there’s no law forbidden in using Starlink.

Is there any recommendation that the bidder, if you see a value on Taiwan’s territory, is there any recommendation?

He mentioned that upload speed and download speed is much higher than the other options. But the question is, is it allowed? Is it legal?

So he purchased that from a girl. He was getting it from his friend in Samoa. So he was not interested in Taiwan, but the girl wanted it. He saw that on his fishing vessel. He said the monthly fee would be somewhere around 1,500 US dollars.

He wants to say that it’s not allowed in Taiwan. That’s what he said.

Okay, so they just purchased the device, it just arrived in this car. He hasn’t installed that one on the vessel yet.

The question is, because actually the price, it’s not that expensive for Starlink. So, he was also wondering why Taiwan doesn’t allow users of Starlink on their phones, and to have us ask you that.

No, because you cannot purchase Starlink in Taiwan. So you say only in the universal, high seas.

Yeah.

The question is, because we also met some business owners and one of them actually purchased Starlink from the world.

From your administration, your office, of course, you have done lots of very unique, unconventional ways of actions and how to be helpful. It would be really great to support this campaign to become a reality in the wide world.

I would say this is a very cool campaign. There are lots of very unique things and lots of new ways of doing things. I think we can really celebrate those identities of those.

This is very unique in the way we keep bringing fishermen to all the negotiation tables with NGOs to speak on behalf of them.

Yesterday was the first time for my fellow fishermen to have a one-to-one meeting. It was also the first time for fishermen to join the Barcelona Seafood Expo to speak as a panel.

This campaign, in a way, it’s making history. Lots of history.

Can I add something? I am also a participant. Maybe something and also a question.

And the fifth one is that the complaint mechanisms, the complaint resolution mechanisms should be discussed and brought up together with all the parties.

And the fourth one is that it has to have a clear regulation, clear policies of how to make use of it. Because at the moment, for example, fisheries agencies are only regulating five minutes per week. So it’s almost equal to nothing. So that kind of policies of how ...

And then the third one, their privacy should be protected, their communication should not be seen or monitored by their supporter or anybody who they don’t want to.

And secondly, it has to be free for everyone.

The first goal is it should be for all fishermen, not just for captains, not just for officers, but all fishermen and all fishermen as well.

Also, as you have read, having Wi-Fi, we are asking for that kind of five major goals.

And at the same time, I mean, we are not just pushing this in Taiwan, but we believe that by having a tree Wi-Fi, we can contribute to putting Taiwan out of that list of existing, we are at the moment, Taiwan’s fishery products are on that list. So that ...

That’s the reason why we think mandatory is important, to make sure all of them can be under the sunshine, and we all see all of them, and at the same time also to level the playing field, because of course having Wi-Fi is an extra cost, and only for ...

And these are the vessels that we really want fishermen to have communication.

But at the same time, there are also those owners that we know are slightly more, maybe more pragmatic, and still not that much wanting the transparency to come to them.

And then the other thing is, given that the Fisheries Agency now has lots of subsidies, programs to support vessel owners, and some of them also just voluntarily already installed Wi-Fi, but we understand that those who will support the policies, like usually those who have already performed quite well, ...

So that’s the reason why we need to know about Wi-Fi. It’s something that can only, the only way to fulfill this Article 71 of C188.

Of course, the government is also providing encouraging use of CCTV, which is a timely monitoring of fishing vessels. But again, none of them help with communication. It only enables third parties or captains to look at what kind of operation, but not enabling the fishermen to speak out.

And we did do a lot of surveys with fishermen. Very little of them have actually had experience with satellite phones, and so satellite phones are out of the option. They will not actually help the fishermen.