What about VR content within XRSPACE? I downloaded a couple of the apps but haven’t explored too much. That’s…

Is there a process for creators to push content and make it available within XRSPACE?

I have a question before we…Maybe in a moment, we’ll convene meeting and just type, but this is still coming in from the party, or is it served to us by associates?

There’s a black background here. [laughs]

Wow.

Got it.

There we go.

Hugging or gestures.

Is that under tools? Where is the…?

Are the gestures in menu? I’ve forgotten. Laugh out loud or…

Yeah.

I cannot read the menu…

OK, guys, see any problem with share screen?

Last time we talked about the poetry aspect of your job description. That was something that was worth exploring further. Then I think maybe, maybe we’re in this room together. Maybe you can chime in?

This is already very interesting, the idea. Last time I felt like we had some interesting conversation starting aboutthe inquiry. I guess definitely making use of this.

Yes. I can see you.

Very exciting.

I got a friend request.

I actually used this email.

On the screen, I see my picture, and then it says M-C and then my email, and then it says Michael.

Yeah.

Hang on.

Oh, no?

Sorry it was a hassle. So many plans are shifting these days with the pandemic that…

We could also use this time to plan that a little or think about things that could happen in the space. It is a shame that you don’t have the headset.

Maybe it’s also a good moment to take a quick step back and maybe also have another meeting on the 23rd.

Hello, sorry, I’m back, hi.

Thank you for so much. Have a great evening.

Minister Tang, would you like some books or other gifts from Norway? Berlin, rather.

We’ll look for the transcript of this in the newspapers tomorrow?

Yngve, Minister Tang gave you a lot of prompts. Why don’t you take it away and we’ll continue the conversation over…

As I mentioned, if there’s a way to break the format, we would be open to it always. The main thing is you’ll have a 30-minute window and a mixture of pre-recorded and live material, including some time for discussion with myself as moderator.

Then it would move into a live presentation of the project. You’re quite right that the online format does skew it a bit, but I would introduce each of you. Then the two of you would share the project and have an open-ended discussion.

It’s something we can have a New York-based person named Lauren Siegel, that would direct all of that. We’ve worked with Lauren quite a while. Very good for taking on board artists’ concerns or technologists’ concerns or shaping things a certain way.

…just build that in. My hope is to have the event open with a short video where we learn about each of your practices and your background. That would involve an on-camera interview as well as, potentially, some sort of archival material that we bring together shown in previous projects.

It’s a good question. I would like to arrange an on-camera interview for each of you. Minister Tang, we might have to do this during your next scheduled meeting…

I know you only have a few more minutes to wrap up. On the point about deciding later, I know our next meeting is in August. Is it OK to have email communication in the meantime?

Yeah, the timing, that’s interesting.

Yngve, you were asking about the blockchain environment as of…

I know that Minister Tang is very involved in, I think, conversations that involve people, also, industry in Taiwan, potentially. I wondered if there was more to talk about on that front.

Rather than focusing on ETOPS or a format, you mentioned the poems are interesting, Yngve. I wonder, I guess the other thing that jumps out from your conversation is just thinking about industrial process as an aspect of your work.

I like to think of the prompt for seven-on-seven as being to make snowballs. It’s not necessarily a highly-crafted object, but it allows a conversation to happen that wouldn’t happen otherwise. I think let’s focus maybe, I was a bit of a miss…

“Look, if the point is to have conversations, why don’t you just sit there and talk to people?” David Hammons said, “Well, if you’re just a person on the street, people don’t know how to interact. If you have an object between you, the object allows a kind of conversation ...

In the ‘80s, he would set up a project in Washington Square Park where he would make snowballs and sell the snowballs during winter storms. One time in an interview, someone asked him, “Why do you make these snowballs? Why don’t you just sit there…”

Of course, by suggesting ETOPS, I am myself falling into that. The way that I’d describe these collaborations often is through a story about the artist, David Hammons, a famous artist from first LA and then New York that makes a lot of interesting conceptual work.

I think that we should look at the web as a possibility but not as a limitation. I wanted to say that, when I bring pairs together, because I know this…Especially since we have limited time together, there’s a desire to find concrete ideas.

There is some potential to create work for a gallery context and have video portion of seven-on-seven be a conversation about a project. That’s one way to approach. Even if the Consultavanger exhibition didn’t happen, that would still be a valid way to approach.

Also, I guess I should say, two things. First of all. When is that? Although the event is online, the project itself doesn’t have to live online. One of the things to know is that there’s a lot of uncertainty because of COVID, but we are planning to have an ...

Which I know was a major undertaking, or I guess you’re still thinking about different possibilities.

[laughs] Poetician. Interesting. I guess similar, I know that you had done some reading before the meeting as well. I guess just in terms of your own preconceptions maybe or of early ideas, but was one of your thoughts coming into this collaboration that it could spark an issue of ...