Thank you so much. It’s so lovely to talk to you. I feel very inspired, and you’ve given me a lot to think about in terms of my own work and this approach of trust, particularly in the face of fear. It’s a big lesson for me, so thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah?

...because I promise it’s my last one. [laughs] Do you have any spiritual practice?

Beautiful, very interesting. My last question, and I keep saying this...

Beautiful. You said many other things. What else comes to mind?

Right, a country of complainers. [laughs]

You mentioned that after you had your operation when you were 12, you then had the capacity to have deep feelings, either happiness, or anger. You avoided the anger. I want to hear about what brings you a lot of joy, and what it is that you love.

I have one more question then.

Beautifully said. Thank you so much. I feel like I could just sit and ask you questions for hours, but I know that you have a lot of work to do.

If we believe that we don’t want to leave anyone behind, if we understand our interdependence with each other, then you live in a rural village, and I’d make sure you’d have computer training. That’s the...

What I’m hearing you saying is that there is the philosophical underpinnings that we can agree on, and that we can build our relationship with technology according to those.

And keeping equality.

Of technology, yeah.

Do you think we have an obligation to police ourselves and our use of this or do you think it is important that we trust, and do you worry about the potential ramifications of...?

When I hear about your work, and the education system, the radical transparency in activism, the multi-disciplinary inclusive policymaking, these are all incredible uses of technology and of connection. Then it is also this dark side of this world.

That’s interesting. I have a lot of questions. [laughs]

To allow that to happen across distances, rather than just being in the same room?

I’m interested in your view on this, whether you agree that empathy is something we need more of, and secondly, if you think there are technological solutions or ways to step into each other’s shoes, and if you could talk about this.

You talk about empathy, and you raise this idea of indigenous perspectives. The way I look at the world, sometimes I feel sad and overwhelmed with challenges that we, as humans -- and the planet -- faces, I think what we’re missing or what I wish there was more of ...

How interesting.

Then, back to the purpose, which you talked about beautifully, this idea of channeling. When did that become clear for you? When did you get a sense that this is what your purpose is?

I love that description.

That would be a horrible existence. [laughs]

You don’t want to stay in the female puberty for longer than three or four years. [laughs]

In your body.

It’s beautiful. That’s beautifully said.

What did it change? Tell me about going through female puberty.

Fall away.

I’d love to know about your, I suppose, your journey to become a woman and how that connected to finding your purpose and to being able to articulate it so clearly.

You described about the process of becoming a woman and then you’ve also beautifully articulated your purpose. Online, you’ve used the word "channel," being a channel to elaborate combinations of intelligence and strength to come together.

That’s incredible. You yourself have had an incredible personal journey. You described a lot online and I’ve done some research about you.

That’s amazing. What I love about it as well is this kind of deep assumption of trust. There’s trust in the individual, to be able to understand what is good for them. I think so many systems around the world have that opposite assumption -- this assumption that we don’t ...

When you think back to your own experience at high school and the education system -- mandatory education -- and the way that our system is structured, is there anything you would change, in the same way you are working in government to change participatory democracy?

Were your parents OK with that?

You made the decision not to go to school anymore.

Can you take me back to yourself as a 12, 13-year-old. I read that you were not...the school system, you couldn’t work within it.

You were aware of that?

You were as a 12, 13-year-old?

And power.

It’s such a different way from the way that so many governments around the world operate. Is this widespread in Taiwan, or is this just with you and the world that you are building and are part of here?

Tell me about this word, "command," because now you’ve used it, in the time that we’ve been talking, five times or so. Tell me, what’s your relationship to that word?

How are you enjoying your work here? I understand that you worked for many years in Silicon Valley. Are you happy to be home?

It was the result of many factors.

The people that were involved in this movement, did you start with this intention of transparency?

...as opposed to diverging?

What do you think it was about this Occupy movement in Taiwan that meant that the ideas converged...

At the front of the parliament?

Tell me about that.

Your work was actually born out of a protest?