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Yeah, exactly. I’m an optimist. I remain hopeful that we do have… and we want to be hopeful about that there are chances and options here. And that’s why this approach to solutions is also very important, that we’re not stuck in this kind of like terrible way right now.

Of course, of course, of course. That makes sense. Thank you. Well, I really enjoyed our conversation. I found it very interesting and loved your perspective. So, thank you for this. And yeah, I hope we can support each other in whatever way to move in that right direction to ...

Good. Excellent. Well, thank you very much. That has been very good. So, in general, if we would like to invite you to speak at sort of something that we do or interview you for some work, that’s fine, right?

Perfect. Okay. We’ll definitely make sure that we talk to those. That’s a really good suggestion. Thank you.

Yes.

So, absolutely, these are all already part of our ecosystem except for the Foundation for Public Code. So, I will definitely reach out to them and see what we can do. And then I would, I would still like to proceed with the kind of more formal, longer-term process. So, ...

Okay. Great. So, we already… Yes, I actually met with Reset yesterday. They are a partner of ours. We’re working very closely with them, so I think, you know, they’re part of our alliance already. And so, with Radical Exchange, of course, you probably know that they’re very closely aligned ...

Okay. What was the second one after Radical Exchange?

And we see ourselves very much like, first of all, solutions driven, as I said but also like an alliance. We want to be not just another organization out there. We want to help all of the organizations that are already doing work, all of the communities that are doing ...

Good. So, I wanted to just… I know we’re almost out of time, but I wanted to come back to my question around the advisory group or the advisory board for Public Liberty. And whether we can involve you in this because we need essentially, you know, all the sort ...

Yeah, Taiwan, India, you name it. There’s so many of them. Exactly.

And what do we need to do on the U.S. elections? And then I do want to ask you about the board. What do you think is the priority from an outside perspective to ensure that the U.S. remains a democracy? And I don’t mean just like the actual government ...

Yeah.

Yeah, and that’s a big worry. How much time do you think we have?

And what are you most excited about and least excited about when it comes to generative AI?

And what about the treasuries themselves, the da0s, the tokens?

Yeah. Exactly. And the centralization piece of the decentralization… Is that mostly around the governance?

Yeah. Can I ask another philosophical question about that because we’re talking about decentralization? What’s your view on centralization within this decentralized organization?

Yeah, that’s very interesting. So, who’s running the da0?

Yeah.

But specifically on the protocol itself, is there ways that we could work together and there’s a way that we could run the protocol on particular things that you’re doing on a government level, and that we could pilot it or test it and apply it essentially in a real ...

Is there a way that we can collaborate because we strongly believe and I strongly believe that this acceleration into the Web3 world needs to happen quickly, and those of us who believe in that transition should work together and collaborate to ultimately save democracies and society and humanity in ...

Can we just go back to DSNP and the protocol itself, the sort of qualities of this?

Yeah, I know. I think that’s an important point about the hardware acceleration, of course, which I assume kind of like follow the hockey stick trajectory.

No, of course not. And so how does that then translate also to the Global South where, you know, many people are still working on mobile devices that might not have the same sort of capabilities? How do you see that work out there?

Yeah, exactly. Sorry, I’m just taking notes. Um… Going back to the sort of generative social networks idea around like generating new UXs and new capabilities and sort of requesting, you know, using generative AI functionalities to query and make sure that social networks basically are heading or starting with ...

Yeah, yeah. And what do you… What is ultimately going to be the business model in Web3? Is it really the tokenized world? Is that what the business model is? Because obviously… And how does the advertising piece fit into that?

How do they differ? And I don’t mean technologically, I mean more philosophically, actually, or psychologically. What is the difference really in those communities in your view?

And what’s your experience around online communities in the Web2 and Web3 space?

Yeah, and sort of building the habit and changing the mindset is critical.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. And I get the distinction between Web2 and Web3, but it’s still… like a lot of the ownership and responsibility remains with the individual.

So, one of the things that I want to make sure that we have these unintended consequences that we have conversations around, those unintended consequences also as we design a new ecosystem, because it’s not just by designing something healthier that we think is healthier that we’re absolutely sure that ...

Exactly. Exactly. But it’s still not harmless, so it’s maybe a little bit reduced, but it’s not like nothing. So, I guess the idea is also we don’t want to go from kind of the Web2 to the Web3 by then introducing different types of harms that we’re not thinking ...

No, exactly. It’s… Yeah, I mean, it can be obviously like… I think… I guess it’s an interesting question because you have to… Say smoking for example, right, where you have age limits on it. There is clarity that they provide like that it is harmful and it has all ...

That’s interesting. Is that your like really tactical way to avoid it is by not even touching the screen?

Oh. Really?

Yes. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And what do you think are the main challenges that are holding back the scaling of decentralized technologies and protocols such as DSNP, apart from the obvious kind of like switch over costs and things like that, that people don’t understand why they should do that?

Exactly.

Exactly. And also… I mean, I do think through generative AI, we now have much more of a clear need for decentralization, which maybe before, wasn’t nice to have. And like, you know, people saw the benefit of it but it wasn’t as strong a need I would say, as ...

And so, one of the things I was curious is your thoughts on how does a protocol like that really achieve, like true scale? Is it through, you know, standardization, making it the standard and making sure international standardization bodies accept it and recognize it as such which is one ...

Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, one of the things I would love to get your perspective on is we’re now building the, you know… we’re sort of bringing DSNP now out to the world really in a major way, which, you know, has been more of a conceptual idea. I ...

Yup.

Yeah. So, when I speak about generative social networks, I mean more about the concept than the application through the SNP. It’s important to highlight that we’re not saying that DSNP is using generative AI in its sort of application. What I mean is more the concept of generative social ...

It is in the beta version. It’s going to be launched in the beta version, I think in a couple of weeks. So, it is in better, but not yet fully, fully, fully transitioned. So, it’s kind of in this process but it is now the first real use case ...

But maybe we’ll discuss a little bit what it means also before you give any answers on that.

So, yeah. Those are some of the things that we’re working on and we would love to involve you in this, not just a one-off thing. The thing that we would love to work together on with you is to provide us with kind of strategic guidance as we move ...

So, we’re starting to think through how does that generative aspect affect social networks? And think through, you know, is there something like a generative social network, network concept which takes the technology from AI and the generative aspect of it and replicates that in the social network sphere? And ...