Let me give it to you…

Nofian says what we want to say during this visit is we really need your attention for our welfare while we are working on a fishing run on the high seas. We really need your attention of how we can stay connected with our families, first of all, as in ...

Anyone with a question, Nofian?

Anyone…

For me, I have a question. You were mentioning several recent development in technologies like Starlink, new iPhone, T-Mobile, and so on. According to your explanation, it is new. How long do you think it takes to be a common consumption for people, and affordable for the vessel owner, and ...

I have a question.

That is also an angle because it’s not universal service, it’s just for emergency communication and so on. But investment to make sure that even on very far places, exceptional circumstances, there’s some bandwidth related for video communication that aligns with at least one emergency phone on board. Idea that ...

Yes. The world will want to know at those times what is happening in Taiwan. The journalists, for example, will need to have access to at least, as I mentioned, this video store-and-forward capability, even if not real-time video, to get the truth out of what’s happening in Taiwan.

Yeah, not the problem, just the rules on board. While you are working, no phones. It’s just rules on many fishing vessels.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

In their room.

Yeah.

It’s not confiscated. Some documents still confiscated, some cases of confiscation of document like passport for the crews are still happening in some cases. For ports, it’s rarely happening there. Also, some captains don’t allow them to hold their phones while they are working because some captains are doing something ...

Never.

No.

They have the phones, but they cannot have the access to WiFi. Most probably, they did not give you the password or whatever.

What is important for us is they are able to connect with the families or people outside.

In some of our meetings with fishery agency, because I always attend the meeting with Taiwan fishery agency, we talk about this. Some of the participants said, no, if you have WiFi, it can stop them in their working. I was going to say, “No, it is not…You control the ...

Yeah, only the captain, so there must be inclusion.

I think they are key workers in this particular case. If they contribute something for the fishing industry, then it is right that they are included also in the necessary services. As Valery was saying, some fishers may have digital devices for years, but they don’t have the access.

I’m very happy what you said for the inclusion. It is really important because, if you look deeper into this industry, there are around 30,000 foreign visas – only few Taiwanese are working on the fishing vessels – and they contribute to a big amount of money for Taiwan fishing ...

They were trying to say their stories with us. We tried to console them through accompany them in that difficult moment. That’s the reason I was insisting on having WiFi, because it is very important.

Also, during COVID, the only way that we can go meet with the fishers in the port was Internet. At the time, we couldn’t receive the fishing vessels during COVID, so they connect with us with the WiFi. Some of them, they tried to say their stories of sadness or ...

It can be done when you have WiFi, so Audrey, I really need your support. I talk to you because I am in the ground. I understand the needs of the fishers. I don’t have any interests or whatever, but this is their voice. They wish to have the possibility ...

Is that same as making some compromise?

Thank you. She is on the first floor.

Thank you so much. Tell her thank you.

We can’t expect gold, that same color.

We make the color by yellows, cyan, and other components.

This is my gold toner.

It’s the way you use gold or silver.

I developed gold-silver toner. It print decorative art. It will be, sometimes, so many gold used for that museum, like…

I am developing that printing machine.

…I think. [laughs] I know that the digital and the analog is a different way, but sometimes, we can prepare both. I think the ticket is very interesting, because the data is printed on paper, and it is one of the mix. Sometimes, it’s used for just easy way, but ...

I’m talking about some inventions in IT…

You are talking some IT initiatives.

Yes.

…a similar approach to National Palace Museum.

That’s nice.

I can easily see someone saying, “If we were still issuing the paper-based receipt, then you guys are still paper-based, so it’s not real digital transformation.” I can easily see someone say, “Let’s just drop all the paper stuff.”

Maybe this is a completely spin-off, but what was the purpose of introducing a QR code to get into the museum, anyway?

Otherwise, when you finish, some people will say, “Why did you do this?” or something like that.

I think it is very difficult for me to keeping balance between economy and the society. I work for a NPO, and I think our marketing is very difficult. It’s very good, but I think Taiwan’s company, more are caring about society.

Our services has got to make it to business sometimes. We didn’t make that situation where it’s easy, but to make that practical, that situation, is sometimes difficult.

I am in charge of developing the product for the hardware. My interest is, yes, the software is important, but hardware is also important enough. Software is easy to change, so it became business easier. My interest is the mix of hardware and the software, is important. How should we ...

Yes.

Totally separate.

I’m not a student, by the way.