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Perfect. Thank you so much. Have a good rest of day.

Perfect. Thank you so much, Audrey. Thank you for your time, and that truthful discussion. Let’s stay in touch, and we will send that all the materials and invitations there shortly, kindly asking for advice and interests from your London colleagues.

It does. Great. Emerson, are you trying to say something?

Well, look, this is something that we would be very keen to explore and keep discussing. Maybe we could curate something together around those issues, drawing from your networks and our networks to bring a good group of people together.

Interesting. Well, there are a couple of organizations that touch on those themes. Like Demos Helsinki, for instance, or the New Institute recently as well. Indeed, these are conversations that are happening at the margins. It will be interesting to see them more prominently at the center.

Interesting. I see Emerson posted his question in the chat. The question is an obvious question. How Ditchley can be of help in your lines of work, and there are many lines of work. What kind of groups Ditchley could help, engage, and connect with? What kind of contacts do ...

It’s all the way to the top. I like that ladder of participation. Assuming that people can commit different amounts of time and resources. There are ways to engage for them, no matter their amount of time and an interest. Is this something that you consistently apply across the board, ...

I’m curious about your views, what are some of the tools and ways of engaging people on complex topics related to tech for instance, where they are and where the people are used to?

This people element is quite interesting for me because I’m myself coming from let’s say, Science Technology Studies background. Doing public engagement is very hard. The bigger the country, the bigger the pond, the harder it is.

If I may write while we wait for Emerson. I was also quite compelled to that you’re one of your recent appearances where you mentioned this model of collaboration between, you call the PPP, but not public private partnership, but the people public private.

We can’t hear you, Emerson.

[laughs] Emerson, feel free to write your question.

We can’t hear you, Emerson, maybe you can write in chat. As you can see, Audrey, there are some connectivity issues in the UK.

Partially.

That’s very interesting. Emerson, are you with us?

This is also where we see a lot of value that stakeholders otherwise would not be willing to sit in the same room. When it comes to health, they are amendable to make some discussions.

Similarly, in that vein, that’s why all those advancements that you mentioned were quite successful in the health conflicts writing related to the pandemic as this is probably less contested than other areas.

Well, both the outcome and the process is interesting. The easier question is probably, how do you scale up? The more interesting is, how do you ensure international co production and then adoption?

I’m interested in a question around how do you scale up local digital public infrastructures, and then ensure interoperability internationally to approximate some global commons, etc. I’m curious, what are your views on that?

It would be a good thing for us to have a deeper look into what you just described on the carbon negative alternatives to platforms to ride hailing and food delivery platforms.

Yeah, that sounds very interesting, and one other theme or threats that we’re trying to explore at Ditchley and perhaps something of interest. I’ll loop our colleagues who are working on that, is climate commitments and carbon markets, looking at ways to incentivize collaboration between stakeholders in that space.

Yes.

When you turn off video, it’s better.

Would you like to retry it? I can’t really hear you.

Emerson, any thoughts?

That sounds fascinating. On the last point, we are planning to host a small event on PETs, Privacy Enhancing Technologies, with HDR UK, Health Data Research UK, at the beginning of March, so I’ll take the liberty of also sharing the details. Maybe yourself, or one of your colleagues who ...

That’s good.

Good. Time allowing, would you be keen to share, maybe something about your current priorities?

Yeah, I think that sounds excellent. Emerson?

If it wouldn’t be too much of an ask to, at some point, have you involved in some shorter discussion or a more focused one, this would be excellent, or deliver opening remarks or closing remarks?

Yes. Emerson, please jump in if you have views on that, but I think this is doable. I’d assume that the person that will be in London, probably would have more ease to even visit Ditchley in person.

Absolutely.

Obviously, at some point in time your schedule allowing, we would love to host you at Ditchley because as Emerson mentioned, we are trying to do this hybrid engagement quite well, but nothing beats in person as well.

I know that participating in the entire two days of conference is a big ask, so we could help shape this engagement to cut to your schedule. I’d assume that this could be something along the lines of 20 minute case study, followed by a roundtable discussion. Wrapping it up ...

We would like to extend an invitation for you to participate in person or remotely, and hopefully share a case study on Taiwanese model of civic technology development, which will be very informative for other participants.

This is for starters essentially. We would like to use this conversation to learn a little bit about your work and what your priorities, see what we could do together, and then discuss one immediate opportunity, which is an event that we are hosting at the end of March, on ...

Exactly. This is very briefly what we do. As Emerson mentioned, we do it through larger convenience and smaller ones, focused small group discussions, which then feed into wider discussion, which is something quite new for Ditchley as well. I’m very hopeful about this model because it allows to be ...

Bunch of EU’s legislation including DSA, PMA data act, the UK one, Online Harms, OECD, etc.

Importantly for this conversation, this is an effort that hopes to engage, not only with the US, EU, and the UK, but also with selected Asian companies. In particular, we are looking at some questions around health data sharing, trusted access to data, digital public infrastructures, and then obviously keeping ...

Sure. Absolutely. Zooming in on one of the programs I recently joined Ditchley to work on, what we call data and democracies. Essentially, it’s a high level effort to look at how democratic countries can work closer together on a number of issues related to data sharing and data flows.

Let’s use this opportunity that you’re…