Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.

Wonderful, we’ll be in contact today or tomorrow.

It was lovely to meet you this way.

Thank you.

Wil jij nog iets zeggen? Want anders gaan we Thank You zeggen.

Are we saying ‘thank you’ too. Or is there something somebody wants to say?

Yes, understandable. And what does Yukiko say? I think she said: ‘thank you’, ‘thank you’.

I’m looking at her.

Where is Yukiko?

Did you?

I thought, maybe she wanted to put a question.

Yukiko is listening. Yukiko from Japan?

Ja ik weet het. En hoe is het met Yukiko moeten we haar nog bellen?

Heb je nog een vraag?

Beautiful. That was Beuys. But is there anything else?

This is in fact, my last question. I hope you have more questions. Democracy gives everyone equal value. That is why the Expanded Concept of Art and Direct Democracy fit so well together. ‘Everyone is an Artist’, because everyone has creativity and talents. The most important work of art to ...

Yes.

The entire world’s population is at home on the Internet. Can we believe a global democratic approach is an adequate answer? Can we free the future together? How to involve everyone?

So, it’s double.

In an interview you say: working from a distance doesn’t mean that you don’t meet people face to face, it only means that we transcend space, boundaries, when we are talking to each other.

Zijn er vragen? Of zal ik gewoon verder gaan? (Are there questions, or shall I just proceed?) The film ‘The Rocky Road to Democracy’ of 2021, said: ‘Audrey Tang champions policies in which citizens play an active role in political decision making’. Maybe you can say more.

Yes. And then: Would Digital Direct Democracy be a better chance for us to understand each other, than today’s use of many words, long sentences and written reports of thousands of words?

It’s something you have to learn?

The same?

Normally it is said that when we speak to each other, 60% of our communication goes face to face and mind-direct, only 40% is through the meaning of the words we exchange. Would digital communication be the same or different?

Beautiful. Wonderful.

I have a question to you that comes from Jan Atze Nicolai originally. It says: What is your motivation to do this? What is your goal?

What guidance does society still need in the Digital Direct Democracy era?

Great. Beautiful. Is er iemand die iets wil vragen? Is there anyone who wants to put a question?

Beautiful.

Shall I go a question again? What is it that is solved mainly by Digital Direct Democracy?

Iemand die iets zeggen wil?

Yes please.

We see you again.

Very beautiful.

With UBI you mean Universal Basic Income?

Do you agree that a Universal Basic Income will help the Digital Direct Democracy spread more easily and more evenly?

Great. Good.

You have warned us that the formulation of questions the citizens will have to answer digitally with ‘yes’ or ‘no’, that its formulation is very important. Could you please explain that further?

Wonderful. Would you agree that Digital Direct Democracy is much more democratic than Direct Democracy by Referendum? Of course, as it is now. You have mentioned that in a way. But maybe because so many people have difficulty seeing the digital form and you know it…

When Beuys said, “Creativity is Our Real Capital,” he warned us that money has nothing to do with capital. “Money is a legal instrument,” he explained. This is 40, 50 years ago. You, Audrey Tang, have brought us Digital Direct Democracy, and suddenly Direct Democracy seems so much more real, ...

Beautiful. So, we are talking about Digital Direct Democracy and Universal Basic Income. Audrey Tang is Taiwan’s minister of Digital Affairs in charge of social innovation. I think that is the most important that you are in charge of, social innovation and that you are working on so hard. The ...

What a good song to start with.

Yes. Hello, Audrey.

Yes, it’s ten seconds. Okay, everyone ready?

Yes. Okay.

Good idea.

So good to see you.

Shall we start or what is your feeling?

Yes.