Yes.

At first, we need some young talent they can have more commitment and on the subject, then we can spread the good impact to outside. That’s my way to build a community and purpose.

Yes, and I asked them to join the collaboration, I work with ITRI and III. We try to make the young talent as a co-member to help the foundation to do work worth something, and later, because right now, already several corporations they want to join the way like the ...

Yes.

Make people have another contribution in a golden era. If you are really doing the technology or you are a gate, then you can have something different. [laughs]

But in the other way, no matter how young you are, if you participated into some good project, especially for cryptocurrency, you will get a reward in the beginning. Not until maybe you have done something that people would tell you.

When you participated into the open source projects, all driven by the interests.

Yes, you’re still young.

There will be good persons prospective in some very good projects. It will inspire the young engineer, and this area is not special like you. When you were young, you made a lot of contributions...

...I think, an assistant professor. Finally, he from the profession to assistant professor lab, so it’s good. Yeah, we do have a lab, and right now we also align with the NCTU, and actually NTU. We already have Professor Liao’s support to have his Taiwanese students to join the government.

Right now, Jim finally can have a lab, since he’s...

Then it evolved before the foundation finally set up, so I think from now on, that the speed will increase.

Finally. [laughs]

Sure, sure.

Alliance.

They used the word trust in IoT, but not security. They are using the blockchain as a protocol layer, maybe under the layer stream in layer two and try to as a trusted protocol for the future IoT, so yeah, it’s evolved. Yes, that’s also my perspective we should participate ...

Actually, I think I mentioned the last time we meet, we are looking at like open fork or some edge computing, even another new alliance called Trust the IoT Alliance.

Maybe I’m not sure if it’s simple for you or not, but if it is OK, we’d like to have some of your meeting with them.

I just wanted to have of this conduct disputed later, would you consider it about, because it more important than just highway. It might be a role of government, because government have the two roles. One is government. Second is we are the big customer for the public sector IoT, ...

Before, I know Executive Secretary Kuo very well. His office just beside Chu’s, so I really do know him, but no, after that, I don’t have any contact in BOST now, but I delight to have some sharing this discussion with them, for the technology, and for the impact, but ...

Because I’m not really the guy who knows how to talk to the government very well, so us fortunately have some friends to help me. If you want to talk about such of the technology issues, maybe BOST, they suggest me should talk to Executive Secretary Tsai...

We do have another favor, if you can help?

Yeah. [laughs]

Because it will be reasonable, this, maybe every IOTA device you have, its own wallet, considerable wallet to protect all the privacy and the identification, so it may be another approach for the trust communication, but instead of the security. This is my explanation.

Because I’m hard to talk too much technical detail, but he just tell me, "You just read the white paper of Apple iOS, the security white paper, that you will know what’s going on." [laughs] He says same thing doing. He wants to contribute for the IOTA.

Actually, they just listened to Jim. [laughs] They realize this is an expertise from Jim. He tried to make the same proxy mechanism. It is his specialty, and he have several successes write about that. He called this a kind of a special hypervisor, protect all the privacy into the ...

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, now you can join the development.

We should open up our data and provide to the world, and then use by the world.

Since we’re doing less project about app quality so we can actually add more nodes on the map.

As you mentioned the market, I wanted to share some of the data market. Actually, I see the opportunity from the data market. This is a sensor map, just launched yesterday, from the foundation. Currently the data sensor only resides in Europe and maybe Australia, because...

Yeah, yeah.

I just have such images, "Yeah, let’s see what will happen." [laughs] That’s why, right now, I try to discuss with the III that is just...especially last week, I see some news that the Fintech park. I’m not sure...

The people think Taiwan is island of hardware, then I think there will be a very good impact for all of Taiwan. Another meaning is that, "Hey, why?" Why that some top of the cryptocurrency foundation, they all try to come to Taiwan. If this is good or not, or ...

It’s good, yeah. Once, if we can have another famous...because they’re all top-10 cryptocurrency technology for the market capital. If we can have another one have a good impression at all, I think, "Whoa, it’s very interesting." Especially they will make world have some special imagination. IOTA, they talked for ...

Also, I’m trying to discuss with III and ITRI. Right now, like I told you last time, we have some efforts try to start to have people -- young, good engineers -- who study for the distributed ledgers. I’m not sure if it’s crazy or not. Right now, you can ...

Then they can really release a very good article to the market. I think that would be a very good way. Mr. Hsiao just asked me, he you know, I will talk to you. He also say central government, if they can support and help on this idea. The local ...

But I think it will be very great for the foundation. No matter for the foundation or for Taiwan, we can really let our people know, "Oh, yeah. It’s a very good way to do some technology experiment in first." Maybe -- I hope -- in the future, the government ...

I think we can help the government to do some experiment. I’m not talking about they need to buy, they need to accept bidders. It’s illegal. I don’t like that.

If we did not do anything, we’re just full of hardware, but know inside some good things there. I think that it will be good if the government kind of the customer of the IoT. If you would just try to sell this idea to the vendors, as you know, ...

I think this is very good. It’s really a new a start. As the government, we will do the experiment first to know what’s the challenge and the possible difficulty, but not just bid by the price. For me, because I want to help this kind of good technology, especially ...

Before that, even that, they still want to know if there will be any possible. They want to talk to the central government and see how to allocate some coverage. Maybe not much fund, because they will lobby the more fund after the experiment, but they want to do the ...

They do their own research which said they do need some kind of a blockchain technology to help them solve the IoT management issues. They also heard about how we did for the last. Mr. Hsiao, he’s highly interested. They want to do some small research and a POC project ...

Actually, we in the almost past week, we already start up the conversation with several departments. Especially for the Taichung city government, I talked to the CIO, Mr. Hsiao Ching-Teng.

Yeah. [laughs]

Until he will meet you, and the way he knew you by GitHub.

It opened yesterday.

In Singapore.

There’s one.

Yes, right now they aren’t happy to not get purely a very high awareness, even in Asia, especially in Taiwan. It’s the first meet up, and yesterday, we just need to face the attack from the Ethereum community today, having another successful meetup in Nangang tells about a ICO, that’s ...