And I have to… we have to do a selfie because of course you’re a hero to my middle child who is non-binary.

Great, I’m happy to help. It’s so great to see you.

Well, I don’t know. I mean, I have nothing to teach you, but I’ll be talking about it.

Okay, let’s do that. We can do that next week.

I think we should start with America. It’s possible.

Do the Chinese participate in the conversations about safety in a way that’s credible and genuine or do you think it’s all…

Yeah.

First let’s deal with the passports… Then let’s save humanity.

It’s absurd that this has to get in the way of solving this existential crisis.

Who are you seeing in D.C.?

So how long are you going to be in New York?

That’s hopeful.

But will the corporate pushback to the response be something we can neutralize?

So the threat is going to be more tangible.

Taxation is not an option that’s available in the United States. They do not allow you to tax anything anymore. So I don’t know what the answer to, like how do you fill in the necessary…

Because we don’t have any obvious resources to put it on. Convincing the Defense Department to shift some of their money in this direction, might be a strategy.

Yeah. The source of investment is the real challenge.

First citizen of Palau.

I think everybody should be Palau.

Wow.

Yeah?

We should have one citizenship.

We should generalize.

Digital resident. Wow, I have to get one too.

So you’re also a Palau citizen?

Yeah, that would be, that would be fantastic.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, DARPA did.

It’s a part, it should be part of the defense market.

It would be a great way to use Defense Department money. They have enough money there. They could stop building tanks and start taking some of the– or these trillion dollar aircraft projects that got them, fighter jets, take some of that trillion dollars and channel it into cyber defense?

Yeah. And I think that he’s been very successful in crossing the border with the right. He spends a lot of time investing in the right, and getting at least the military in the right to realize what the nature of that fight is.

I think Tristan’s doing an amazing job on this.

If we assume there’s another 20 years to go.

We have to find a way to have these conversations more than once every 20 years.

I wanted you to make me happy, but…

Do you think the throttling capability is a necessary backstop?

Manhattan Project.

Is there an alternative outside of the companies that is less capturable by the companies? I mean, we’ve already seen how safe Zuckerberg can be.

So what does the investment look like in safety? is this an investment in people inside of these companies? Or people like you outside of these companies? Like, if I had a checkbook to write a $10 billion investment, who would I write it to?

What’s that regulation?

So who’s funding the world? Like, who’s funding the 30 to one?

Right, and you can’t do the world.

Yeah, so who’s funding that?

Okay. But Meta’s strategy is different from OpenAI. So you have confidence that the Meta strategy is actually good if we do get this kind of investment?

Thirty is the chips.

Right. I’m not saying that you would restrict it. But the point is that if you imagine Llama 5, and then all these additional capabilities you can build on top of it, then we’re at a stage where nobody can stop the deployment, the development of the AGI, right?

But isn’t the spread of the open source AI itself a dimension of the risk? Because it could be deployed and used now by malicious actors.

But then, so even if controlling the chips buys you just two years, then that means there’s no strategy. That’s your view?

Right. But isn’t there a similar level of code in the chips, just to imagine throttling capabilities to make it so that if things run awry, we can at least pull them down or at least slow them down. Or throttling capabilities and licensing capabilities so we could at least ...

But the question is you know, so when you tell me that OpenAI has a solution…