Bye.

And you. Take care. [laughs]

Thanks again. Good luck with everything.

That makes absolute sense. Thank you, Audrey. I really appreciate you talking to me today. That was fantastic. Lots of information to digest. I’ll write the article up. I’ll send the link when it’s up.

You’re very well prepared. Excellent. We’ve covered everything that I had. Was there anything else to add at all? Do you think there’s anything we should know, anything we can learn from that we haven’t spoken about?

Fantastic.

There’s not a huge amount of stuff that’s not happened as a result of the data not being there, is there? Everything was already planned.

In terms of the data that you have, because the data was all planned to be collected, obviously, before this happened, is there any additional data that you wish you did have, or that would be useful to have, or that you are looking at collecting?

How close are you to having a vaccine now?

Going forward, what are your plans to maintain the fact that Taiwan has done very well? You have very little deaths. You’ve limited the number of cases. Is there a forward plan or…?

What about your relationship with WHO as well, because you don’t have a relationship with WHO? How does that…

That’s fantastic, but it sounds like as a country, you guys are very digitally innovative. Other places in the rest of the world might not have the scale, they might not have that drive.

It’s human nature.

You didn’t have to introduce any legislation. You were prepared because of SARS. Is there anything that’s been added retrospectively? Is there anything that the rest of the world could do, any advice that you could give us what we should be doing?

It sounds like from listening to this and someone else in the world, where we’re not doing arguably very well [laughs] – I don’t think you can argue with that, we’re not doing very well. It seems like the biggest part of this is because you had a foundation in ...

You had those cards in place for quite a long time, didn’t you? They’ve only started being used.

Is there a name of the app that you’re using?

That makes sense. What about the data side of things? You’ve talked about the cellphone data. What other data are you collecting and how you’re using it?

With your testing system, is that a very active part of the system, because a lot of people outside of Taiwan are placing a lot of emphasis on the testing side of things. Do you think that’s important also?

What about the border side of things? Is there a kind of technology at the borders? You shut your borders very early on, didn’t you?

And they get the €30 as well from the government to be able to almost pay for that…?

Do you think that if this would happen on a larger scale – which it sounds unlikely – that you would still be able to manage this system? For example, that’s a lot of people in hotels, in the isolation hotels. How would you manage that if it was such ...

That was all in place before this happened?

You’re saying that you pay people €30 to stay at home. What about people who needed to go out to work? Would they be earning a lot more than that normally? I mean…

With the quarantine, is it a two-week quarantine for people who have come into contact with someone, and then the isolation is the same amount of time?

Fantastic. People in general, from the sounds of it, this obviously involves a lot of collaboration. Does it involve a certain type of a collective personality, a form of altruism rather than…

That’s fantastic, how interesting. Those people, I was told if they had their phone off, that they would have a health inspector turn up to their house or the police…Is it that far?

And it’s done over the network, but on randomized times of…

Is it that they will be tracked once they’ve filled in the form, so their cellphone data will be tracked?

When someone comes into the country, I was told that they were needed to download an app when they come in.

That makes a lot of sense. Do you have a contact tracing app at all?

That’s amazing. If people were to break the quarantine, what would happen to them?

The telco data and the cellphone network that you’re using for actually pushing out these messages, is it just a regular cellphone network, it’s not up for special emergency?

What kind of data are you collecting that you’re using for things like contact tracing, for example? How do you collect the patient data and that sort of thing?

Really? This is all put in place because of the legislation that was brought in over the years as well?

You don’t collect any new data at all?

There’s a lot of confusion around the rest of the globe, isn’t there, in terms of what’s true and what’s not, and they’ve got so much disinformation. That seems to actually be the key to the problem. You guys have got a lot of data, haven’t you, and you’re using ...

That foundation has been key for you for things like privacy protections and things like that. Can you tell me a bit more…

Wow, brilliant. Taking it back to your response to SARS in 2003, I spoke to someone yesterday who was telling me how there was quite a lot of legislation made between 2003 and now.

That’s very interesting. What about the older generation? You say it’s a real collective effort, and I imagine there is kind of an age limit within that effort. Is there an older generation who are…

How do you detect where the disinformation is coming from? Is it an automated machine learning-type system?

That’s absolutely amazing. I know you mentioned memes to educate people and that sort of thing. You’re quite susceptible as a country to disinformation, aren’t you – not to falling for it, but you get a lot of disinformation attempts from China, for example. Is that how you partly how ...

Can you start at the beginning and tell me the story of when COVID hit Taiwan? I was talking to a couple of people about this, but it would be great to hear this from you. You were there. You were involved in this.

That’s fantastic. I’ve read about the Pride parade, and I thought, “Wow.” We’re here in the UK. We’re just going under another lockdown. We’ve got a lot to learn from you guys.

What’s been going on at the moment in Taiwan? Because you say there’s big stuff going on in the Parliament at the moment.

…here too for afterwards. Good stuff. Thank you for taking the time out to talk to me. Really appreciate it. I’m really excited to speak about this.

Excellent. Thank you. I’m going to do a backup recording on my phone as well just to make sure that…