Cheers. Talk to you soon.

You too. [laughs]

I really appreciate it. Have a wonderful morning.

Perfect. Thank you so much. You are incredible. Thank you.

OK.

I don’t know if I need proof. I just did not want to overstep my bounds with your generosity.

The reason I didn’t want to talk yet to Dr. Hsiao and Dr. Lee yet is, are you comfortable if I explain to them that you gave me their contact information?

I know we’re at the half of the hour. If you have any other advice or anything else to tell me, I’d love to hear it. If not, I will take this and begin working on it. Then, if it’s OK with you, let you know how things go.

That’s very powerful. Thank you. I’ll think about that, and share those ideas with them, and recommend that type of a process. I love the notion of starting simple, something that can change relatively easily, so they can begin to get their arms around it.

Any other advice for me? You’ve been at this, you’re changing the world in so many ways. I would open to any ideas or recommendations you have.

I’m very much looking forward to this implementation and using these in Bhutan, and then, hopefully, elsewhere as I continue to encourage other folks to look at this approach to collective sensing and collective decision-making and prioritization.

Wonderful. I will definitely reach out to her. That sounds right up the line of what I’d like to look into. Do you have any hesitation or any preferences? I’m looking to what you’ve done and saying, “Wow! This is a model that I think so many people in the ...

Number one, do you have any recommendations as I think about this and think about trying to pursue this from an academic standpoint and promote the ideas that you’re pioneering in so many ways? Number two, are there any other individuals in addition to Dr. Hsiao and Dr. Lee that ...

Even pursuing a PhD focused on this, I was recently in a conversation with a gentleman at Oxford in their Social Policy and Intervention Department saying, “Hey, if I were to submit a thesis proposal, would this be the kind of thing?” He indicated that this would be very interesting. ...

Thank you. We’ll definitely look into that with my team. That’s fantastic. That does lead to the second question of academia. This has been so fascinating to me and so aligned with where I would like to take the rest of my career. I’ve been in a couple conversations with ...

Yeah. It links first to the quadratic voting that I saw you talk about both in the global classroom and then also in your TED Talk. Do you have software for quadratic voting that you use? Is that something that’s just been done individually?

That’s wonderful. Any other recommendations or thoughts as I’ve just shared this initial idea?

I’m not the decisionmaker there. We’ll have to check with them. My preference would be to make it open if they feel comfortable with that. There might be some that they leave open and others that they might close out depending on the topic.

We’ll make sure we do that. Once we do that, then the data will be available to anybody in the world, I suppose.

Are default settings in Polis set up to allow for that?

I think we’ll be open to quality analysis. It gets to my second question around academics.

That will lead them to create their own Polis conversation with an invitation to the same people they spoke with face-to-face and, hopefully, many others to suggest, “OK, in agriculture and forestry, or in transportation, or in education, what do you recommend we do if we were to try to ...

This is something we’re still exploring with them and are going to try to work out between now and the next probably six weeks. Not quite sure. The intent is after all of these face-to-face conversations, each minister will have a focus group discussion with the individuals who are conducting ...

Each one of these ministers will create their own Polis conversation to elicit ideas and prioritize those ideas. That will start in January. I’d love any thoughts you have as you created this, have done this so many times, around any recommendations in that regard.

We’re going to have over 7,500 one-to-one conversations face-to-face, in-person for the most part conversations about reform. What does it mean? How do we think about this? What do we think about our nation? What do we want to do as the people to make an improvement? They’re going to ...

Conversations is better…with 125 ministers and educators in Bhutan around the topics that are most interesting to them. During this, as we’ve begun our program with them, we started by helping them to initiate.

As I said, I’m super excited about it. I would love to talk about the research of Dr. Li and Dr. Hsiao. Before we get into that, I wanted to hear anything you had to say about Polis. We’re currently planning in January to launch probably 125 unique Polis, I ...

Sorry for the long intro. That’s a little bit of a background on where I’m coming from and how I’ve been introduced to Polis and the other work you’ve been doing.

In the meantime, my firm has also been very fortunate to contract with the kingdom of Bhutan. They’re going through a civil service reform. Last year, the king said, “We need to change the way we’re doing civil service across the board.” We’re very lucky that they asked us to ...

I decided that I really wanted to focus my work to the extent possible working with organizations that are specifically targeting improvement against the global sustainable development goals. I decided I wanted to learn more about that. I enrolled in Harvard’s program and have been doing that. Through the program, ...

We’ve been able to work with companies like Disney, McDonald’s, Ikea, Microsoft, and also with a number of governments like Mauritius, or Singapore, UAE. It’s been fascinating throughout my career. When the pandemic hit, like many of us, I had this existential question of, what am I doing in life? ...

How would I say this? I’ve had the opportunity to work in leadership development and organization strategy for the last 20 years with my partner Dr. Dave Ulrich. I don’t know if you’ve heard of him. He’s known as the father of modern-day HR, University of Michigan professor.

Would it be OK if I briefly introduce myself?

I’ve looked up and read Mei-Chun Lee’s dissertation. Very interesting and very comprehensive. I love what she put together. I still need to find time to read Yu-Tung Hsiao’s work. I aim to read those. I wanted to speak with you first before talking with them.