Bye-bye.

I will come back to you. I think I’ve got everything. You’ve given me like 15 pages of reading. That’s really good, so thank you again and have a nice day.

That’s wonderful. I guess this is all. It was a pleasure to meet you. [laughs]

Excellent.

Yes.

Also, if you have a few pictures, because Iconograph has been looking, but said it was...

If you want, I would be glad to send you one copy when we get it printed.

So, that’s the magazine. There’s a little VR. [laughs] It’s a bit hard to explain, but it’s a bit like Fast Coexist, I would say. It’s sometime extreme tech, and a lot of time about resilience, ecology, more down to earth, and a bit of imagination and crazy stuff. [laughs]

Would you have maybe, some pictures we could use? I’m going to grab one. There’s one here. I’m going to show you what the magazine is like.

Is that a program will do it?

Do you need my written transcripts?

I think that’s all I needed. Is there anything else you would like to express?

One sneaky question. Do you think new information technologies about civic tech, could they be social engineered in a bad way like we’re seeing now with the rise of fake news?

That would be a nice tool to have, encrypted mesh network.

I read this one was made by a French guy, but it was not at all encrypted.

I’m going to check this out. I think we’re nearly done. You talked about this chat app that was used in Hong Kong, which is called FireChat, no?

Could you tell me one or two projects you found very interesting that you worked from g0v?

It reminds me a bit of something called Techfugees. That’s about hackathon for technologies helping the refugees.

Oh yes, about that, g0v. Another missing point in my notes, my 14-page .odt. I was wondering very concisely, g0v is about mainly organizing hackathons, like helping open-source projects about civic tech, right?

Another question. Do you still work in g0v or not?

Your father was sitting the Tiananmen incident as a Taiwanese student at the time?

That was shortly after the Tiananmen events.

You grew up in a family with people always talking about politics.

They were working on the topics of exile activists. That’s it, no?

I think we’re nearly done. Just to clarify, you said your parents were journalists.

The story of Aaron Swartz is particularly tragic.

Snow Crash, yes. Both of them. Do people sometime compare you to some kind of cyberpunk heroine?

It makes me think a lot about Neal Stephenson book. What’s the English name?

That’s one more thing. The ethos of the Internet is getting into the real life now. People who got used to collaborative tools ... for the next revolution they will be used to organize like that.

How would you envision the future protests, i mean anywhere on earth in the next years? Do you think that something started with all the occupy movements, and Arab Spring? Is there some new way of doing things that’s emerging or not?

It’s a candid question. Was it new for Taiwan to have sit-ins like this occupation of buildings or not? Has there been other sit-ins or such kind of occupations there before?

Umbrellas, yeah.

I had another question totally unrelated. What would be your analyze of the difference between the Sunflower Movement and the Hong Kong Movement...

That’s very cool. As you became the first minister with both gender, what’s your feeling for the LGBTQ community, do the press...

Now do you define yourself as a woman, or both.

In 2005, you decided to change your name and gender.

There is just a question. In 2001, when there was the dot com bubble, were you affected by this? Because before that, the world was hoping a lot for the promises of digital technologies, and then there was a phase of doubt.

Yes. It’s funny, because I knew you would not like this. Which other businesses?

With Apple. Oh yes, sorry. I did the research.

You worked at Apple.

Then you became a consultant for Silicon Valley companies.

This first startup, you left it at 17?

It was a search engine in Chinese?

Let’s see on the biography. You made your first startup at the age of 15?

That’s funny, because there’s always so many TED talks about people who are now dropping school and saying, "I can’t dedicate myself." You were pretty in advance.

[laughs] That’s great reads for a kid when you’re starting. Talking about your parents, they were OK with your choice of dropping school at 13?

That’s those books you read on Project Gutenberg, right?

Yeah. What was influential in your way of thinking about the world, this way that you can transpose that surreal and cut through...?

What were your main influences, maybe as thinkers you read?

Maybe we can go a bit on the topics of philosophy and code. From what I read about you, it’s something that’s really mixed together, joining philosophical concepts, putting them through...