That’s wonderful. Well, thank you so much once again.

Liaise with her.

But if there’s anything, any other questions you have before then just let me know. I can also send some of the, any bits I might just add instructions as slightly if you wanted to have a look before that.

So interesting to chat with me. [laughs] I love it. Just so you know, I don’t know if you had a chance to look at some of the previous interviews, but it’s essentially the word limits it’s only about 3,000, we’ll edit some of it down and maybe just tighten ...

That’s great. I think we can, we are about an hour, thank you so much for your time. I’m appreciative.

Yeah.

Is that the role that you have Taiwan play in the future?

Is that the innovation and the innovative model becomes what Taiwan is known for?

It’s all a commodity.

[laughs]

Off the press. [laughs]

[laughs]

Exactly. One of my inner PR who works in the French, he’s someone I know, I think he was involved with. What was the most… of getting involved in that project?

It was in November last year. I was in Taiwan at that time. It came upon my Facebook.

Finally, I wanted to talk a little bit about the project you are involved with “Commonwealth Magazine,” which is particularly looking at how does one build upon the reputation of this developed over the last year during…

I like very much what you said before. If you’re seeing something that wants to be improved, be that the change that was it about where nobody that can do something about it, and is it like… [laughs]

Authority.

Are there any particular countries, or any particular governments or parts that have been very interested in particular to this?

I leave credit to civil society as well on this important process. That’s great. We have a little bit of time left. About your work in dialogue with the world, you’ve spoken with so many media organizations now. We talked a little bit about other countries taking up these ideas.

Perhaps, if you could, in a hypothetical situation in another country that hasn’t reached this point of maturation, the Taiwanese democracy has reached, how would you investigate that same process happening?

It sounds like institutionalizing these norms. These social norms is really…

We need to have…

…towards authoritarianism and decentralization of data. How do we in the international environment safeguard against authoritarianism?

How do we guard against those countries as you mentioned before, there’s the opposite impulses towards centralization…

Is that something that you see being translated into other countries internationally? Do you think the pandemic offers a good opportunity for countries to initiate that new relationship between democracy and technology?

Human nature. [laughs]

It’s a spin on that kind of fundamental human interest.

Shifting in a sense, this idea of people in a democracy as private citizens, do you think that’s important keystone of changing relationship with democracy is changing our self perceptions as people of private systems within a country. Firstly, back in the case of Taiwan, and then secondly, sorry go. ...

Yeah, as you say this a whole of society approach, it goes back to these central ideas of participation. It sounds like Taiwan has already made great steps into initiating these types of programs.

Could you just explain how that in Taiwan, it’s a whole society tradition, some of those numbers in terms of…?

Are you aware of any other countries that were…after SARS, for example, or after any other pandemic that initiated these…I would say the annual drill that the CECC was implementing?

The UK might be first on our list serving. [laughs]

Have there been any other countries which have come to sought to copy this model or take…

I’m not sure this would happen because Taiwan’s managed that very well, in the future when Taiwan had to initiate that lockdown situation, is that something that then would have to go through a Congressional approval to ensure that the…

That data, for example, that someone from the UK might say is too invasive, how would you characterize that data that’s not being stored by any central…

Yeah.

How would you explain arriving at that kind of more, a better sense of equilibrium between transparency and protecting people’s privacy on the other hand which is also another important side of democracy?

That is the criticism that came up for example, from the UK. There’s a balance to be struck between privacy and public health. This goes back to one of your central concepts, this idea of the radical transparency.

I didn’t know you had so many of that…

I want to get one or two…

We’re dealing with it now.

Do you have…If you could summarize what you think some of the central risks are of this transition that you hope to capitalize digital democracy.

Absolutely. OK. That’s really fascinating. [laughs] It’d be great to go on to talk about perhaps some of the risks associated with digital democracy.

The central way you think of getting people to realize that there’s another way of constituting democracy is by recognizing that working together we can create something that works for all eventually.

I guess, because I just want to ask again about the…It sounds like it, the way that you get people to recognize this, I guess, inherent part of society necessarily and that you arrive at a common good and they’re working together. You can’t necessarily eradicate conflict, which I think ...

Sure.

Sure.

That’s something that also you’ve talked about as well in this idea of seeing, I guess there’s not seeing beyond the conflict, it’s just recognizing that there is always going to be some form of trying to arrive at consensus in issues like the conflict between the economy and the ...

Is there any political theories to any other political theory that inspired these views for you? Because I’m might thinking of some myself now, as I’m talking to you, I know this is slightly different from what I planned but were there any political theories you will take these ideas ...

People can come to these participation officers on any issue essentially the…