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That’s pretty incredible. That’s great.

All right. Well, thank you so much for your time. I’ll be in touch once we know more about the translation.

They seem like the natural partner for driving the localization as well.

Got it.

It would be great to have somebody from Taiwan present there, whether it’s yourself or somebody from the Ministry of Education.

We’re also, just so you know, hoping to host convening of global players that are doing computer science education, whether it’s members at the ministry level or NGOs. We did this just in September last month, so we’ll do it again next year in September. This is basically to bring ...

Got it. Thank you so much. I’m glad we spoke, to get a little bit of familiarity. We’ll focus on the translation, after we’re much closer on it, we’ll circle back and talk about the promotion. If there’s any types of events or activities around computer science in Taiwan that ...

After we get closer to 100 percent translated, we could circle back with you to see if there’s a way to do something that’s more in the promotional vein, spreading the word, or making announcement of that as an achievement.

Got it. For me, my most important next step is to send the OpenCC thing to my team to see if we can use that and hook it up to automatically do conversions back and forth, so we…

Are you all doing any things in terms of events, whether at the government level, or using any form of media to build excitement around computer science, aside from the requirement inside the curriculum?

All right, great.

To be honest, I don’t know offhand, directly. This would be a great area to connect somebody on my team who manages the translations, whether to you or to somebody who you think would be a good person to follow up with.

Yeah, but it’s the primary school curriculum that’s the most important.

Yeah. A lot of our translations just happen organically without promotion, just people finding the translate page without somebody proactively calling on it, or calling on it to happen. A more proactive effort to find a translator who’s actually dedicated to it may help get the whole thing across.

Got it. Thank you for sending that to me.

That must be up from the last time we checked it, because the last time I had asked, we were at 30 percent. That was when I first reached out to you, so it might have increased over the last few weeks.

The highest what?

Yes, we use Crowdin. We use Crowdin as a platform. Many volunteers submit translations within that platform. We’ve also had situations where we’ve even worked with a single, formal partner who’s a direct translation contractor to do the work, because volunteer doesn’t always get the highest quality.

Then to, after the translation is complete, do some sort of announcement or integrate it into things that you talk about afterwards as a result.

The primary school content, which is the one that’s used the most, only about one-fourth of it is even translated into Chinese. There may be an opportunity to find a local partner who helps us with the translation. I’m not sure whether that, you could help us with that.

Got it. The combination of that and translation might be something of interest. One of the things, the reason I mentioned it, is Code.org usage in Taiwan is already one of our largest countries. It’s the number eight country in terms of total usage of Code.org, and almost a million ...

You also said you could do something to promote. What did you mean by that?

Got it. Can I ask, since you said the ministry doesn’t require anything in terms of specific curriculums, or specific courses, or specific tools for schools…

In general, I want to just figure out who are the right people within the ministry to work with. I’m guessing you’d be a great champion for this work, but it doesn’t necessarily directly fall into your current work, because it’s more your previous work.

I mainly wanted to start a dialog to just learn more about how Taiwan is thinking about expanding computer science in schools. Is there more that we can do to help? In particular, we think that making computational thinking compulsory is an important step, but we’re worried about whether there ...

Exactly, exactly. You stand out. My background is as a computer scientists, and you stand out, because both within government and with any role in K-12, it’s rare to have somebody who has a computer science background. Most of the work I do is talking to people who have never ...

Many move back to Code.org when they want to learn JavaScript. My view towards that is that’s just how schools work. Nobody can build one platform that is the only thing a teacher uses in their classroom, and it’s the right thing for students to learn computer science across multiple ...

They include data analysis, cybersecurity courses, courses on how the Internet works. There’s a lot more. It’s more of a curriculum than a coding platform, although we do have a block-based platform. We don’t view Scratch as a competitor. We view it as something that a lot of teachers start ...

Yes, as it should. Again, the approach we take is…First of all, Scratch is different than Code.org, partly because they are an IDE, and we are an IDE and curriculum combined. Also, Scratch only does block-based coding, so it’s limited mainly to primary school, whereas our IDE and curriculum cover, ...

In fact, we lose money. [laughs] We only want the schools that want to use it to use it, but we’d love to get help in terms of promoting computer science, breaking stereotypes in computer science. If it’s promoting the Code.org platform, that’s a great positive as well, but it’s ...

In fact, if I had to describe our goal, it isn’t for every school to teach Code.org. It’s for every school to teach computer science. We create our curriculum platform as an option, in case people want to use it. There’s plenty of other alternatives, and a lot of people ...

Understood. Yes, in fact, within Taiwan, we have more student accounts than anywhere else in Asia. Because of Taiwan’s adoption, Chinese is regularly among the top five languages used on Code.org. That’s not because of adoption within China. It’s more because of adoption within Taiwan. Our goal isn’t to get ...

The connection we got to, they said, given your role and your own personal background in computer science, that you’d be the best person to start talking with.

I know Taiwan in general has a larger commitment to teaching computer science, compared to most countries. We’re hoping to build connections with, effectively, the folks in the government who are doing that. It’s probably in the Ministry of Education, I’m not sure.

Hopefully, it works. I was calling, because I run an organization called Code.org. We are simultaneously building one of the largest online platforms for teaching and learning computer science in schools. We’re also helping and supporting lots of governments with making computer science part of the primary and secondary education ...

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