I’m going to hold you to it. I’ll see you, sooner rather than later.

Perfect. Thank you so much, Audrey. I miss you already, but I’ll see you in the US.

If you’re coming into DC, you want to take a trip to DC?

Yeah. Around that time. I get into DC on September 18th.

Again, thank you so much for the time, the stuff that you’re doing. Not just for US and not just for Taiwan, but I think that what you’re doing internationally for humanity is extremely valuable. [claps] I applaud you.

Excellent. I definitely will be in DC. Definitely, I’ll be back in late September. If you’re coming through, I’d be happy to show you around. It would be absolutely my pleasure.

Perfect.

That’d be awesome.

Yeah, a geek cruise.

The GCTF, just take the C and turn it into “cruise.”

Wow, never heard of that before.

That’d be fun. It’d be a cruise on the ocean. You could do a “entrepreneur ship” or something, a play on words on the ship as well. That’d be fun.

That’s what the song, the Heihei part. It actually comes from the sky, exactly. Little did we know.

Try hacking that one. Hack the stars, I don’t know.

Exactly, maybe go back to school for a little bit to read how to read a sextant and all of these things

Yeah. It’s an interesting one.

Are you going to row a boat there? I’ve heard – I’ve been talking to some participants – don’t take an airplane because of the emissions. Somebody’s taking a boat there, I’ve heard.

You’ll be going to New York for that?

If you ever want a tour of the State Department, too. I’m not sure if you have already.

Definitely. I’m excited for you with this new expansion of your role as well. We need more of you international as well. Plus, that means if I’m in Washington, DC and you’re coming to Washington, DC, you can come visit your best friend Grayson. [laughs]

We’re always vying for some of your time and participation. I’ll keep you updated about that as we find out more information in the next couple of weeks or next month or so.

Perfect. I was just seeing the possibility for that. Definitely, as far as the role for data, it seems like there’s a lot of organizations in Taiwan that could talk about these type of things. I think that Ryan, Ta-Ching, and I all share the same goal, which is to ...

Perfect. Initially, we were planning for March, but it’s still in debate right now. If it’s in March, then that sounds like that would be a good match. I’ll let you know. We should know in the next couple of weeks.

Understandable.

We’ll especially come in like May, and everything all related to that, but also if your role is pending…

Exactly. I know timing’s a huge…

That’s why I don’t want to give you an exact date yet. It’s not for sure yet.

It might be some time around March, but I’m not sure yet an exact date. We’re currently in the process of determining that now. I think it would be some time between March and December of next year. It’s a huge…

Next year.

I don’t want to give you a rough time because…

We’re not sure yet of timing.

I’m curious if you think there would be some possibility of some training around data, its importance and value to the circular economy and marine debris, and maybe some case study examples, like the rapid assessment.

If you listen to a Jenna Jambeck, she says this a lot, as well. The Greenpeace and Society of Wilderness, SOW, report for the rapid assessment that was released last month, they also talk a lot about, in their report, the need to understand the volume of marine debris, and ...

If you look at a G20 or G7 or especially United Nations marine program reports, they talk about the need for a database, for example, about marine debris, where they’re accumulating, the types of plastics, and understanding the greater scale of where they’re coming from.

For this GCTF, yeah. I think it would be very valuable to have some type of training session about the value of open-source data and data collection as it relates to understanding the marine debris issue.

That’s that question. The last one for you, is there any potential role that you would like to or could play in this hackathon? To put an idea out there, I think some type of discussion or training on…

That’s a hard one.

Exactly. Maybe even if there’s some possibility of getting them both in there. They do a similar thing, but from what I’ve heard, their approach as far as the materials that they take in, for example, the physical materials are different from the recycling capacity. One’s HDPE, and the other ...

It’s a state inside of a state.

Would you see them also as something more on the technology side or more about a infrastructure, physical infrastructure?

What role would you see them playing? With the GCTF, there’s the multiple training sessions. Would they fit more into the category of…

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, so I’ve… [laughs]

Are there any specific companies or organizations that you recommend, that you think would be good to have at this GCTF for circular economy and marine debris that you’ve worked with in the past, anybody you specifically would recommend that comes to mind?

Last two questions for you here. One is jumping back to the initial question about participants internationally, so looking beyond the borders of Taiwan.

Interesting. I’m with you on that, too. Life, it’s a learning process.

[laughs]

Interesting. I ask this question for myself in that I also come from more the belief of open source, open data in the maker community. I also am in the role of working in government. It’s how to balance those type of things in a way that it’s still beneficial ...

I like that. You have your work cut out for you. [laughs]

Yeah.