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All right, awesome. Thanks so much, Audrey.

You are the pinnacle of a civic superhero to me. I’m excited. I’m just grateful that you spent time with me today. I’m excited that you’re [inaudible 41:09] to the kids and excited about all the ways that we can work together.

Just imagine if there’s all these kids, actual teenagers, maybe even younger, but having t-shirts just proudly [inaudible 40:53] .

You’re aware of, I’m sure, other civic superheroes as well. You have your own [inaudible 40:28] . It was cool. A couple weeks ago, we had a picture of the guy on the left, [inaudible 40:35] Conway, who was, he was the big star of the ‘60s in America. He ...

Just imagine just seeing these sort of stickers fucking everywhere.

I’ll send you a couple example of stickers that we…Let me…Give me one second. I want to show you right now.

Thank you so much. We snagged the URLs because we look, there needs to be that sort of moral and also status-related kind of energy with citizenship, civic leadership, so someone committing lots of time, potentially their entire career to strengthening communities, and bridging divides, and solving problems. That deserves ...

They feel very motivated to spread just how good it feels to have a voice and to be part of a community that is getting better at solving problems by virtue of the people, but also, the technologies that are allowing the people to be the best that they can ...

The deep intention is to create a different type of leader that is not being trained right now. We’re [inaudible 37:55] Civic Superhero. That is [inaudible 37:56] aware of just how good it can get. You know?

You just have my mind racing about the whole idea of demonstrating democracy working on a smaller scale to a wider scale. Of course, that was already the orientation that we’re going towards, but just some of the technologies that you showed, and please send as many as you can ...

I’d love for your feedback on them.

I’ll send you at least a couple documents for you to look over.

Cool. Thank you so much for your time.

OK, that’s perfect. I’ll just look at the tone and energy of difference of the leaders and if it aligns well with what I’m trying to accomplish.

We’ll see where corona is in July, but do you have any recommendations for which of the young leaders that you think might be good to talk to?

If we can get a young either from Hong Kong and fly them out to talk about democracy, that would be so historic.

I think you know that we have a big convention in DC at Georgetown University where we’re launching this campaign. I want to make sure that the speakers are extremely symbolic of our belief in young people and in democracy. I think you can guess where I’m going with regards ...

OK.

Yeah.

Cool. Would you be willing to introduce me to one of them?

What is your relationship to the people supporting democracy in Hong Kong?

That’s amazing. Thank you so much.

Cool. This is cool because this is highlighting a blind spot for me about governmental reform ideas. I spend a lot of time thinking about electoral reform, which is also very important. If a slightly better elected official is elected into a broken system of governance, that only does so ...

Can you send me the link of the person?

Chief of staff of what?

What are your thoughts on why we have nothing like your role in our highest offices?

Actually, we have a system of incentives such that a lot of politicians have an incentive to make sites less accessible. I’m sure you know what Obamacare is. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Trump Administration has taken active steps to make the user experience of the Obamacare signup site ...

I don’t really have much more to say except that it’s extremely fun to think about these problems and how so much of why we don’t adopt I guess tech in America, because our mental models are from a different era. We don’t even consider this concept of transculturalism. It’s ...

That’s awesome. Something that I’ve been thinking about but don’t have that many people that I personally know to talk to. I have some people that talk about how your job and how I feel like my job is as much to think of what technical as it is just ...

If I’m hearing that you are changing the culture subsets, it’s more changing like helping people value the sort of making these participatory processes more accessible to the Gen Z types that [inaudible 25:07] interactions and then other people who are the more synchronous [inaudible 25:13] .

Your role was created by the cabinet to bridge the gap in older and younger generations. I feel like you’ve done all that. How do you know?

I know about hypothesis and SayIt. It’s funny because you’re probably so used to this civic technology. US is so behind. We have so little expectation of transparency. It’s shocking to me. I would actually love if you’d be willing to just share whatever resources you have or things I ...

Have other countries used this?

Wow. You made this bootstrap?

You made it look really easy for the…

Say it. What is mySociety?

Saying?

US-based?

Did you make this?

When you release a transcript, do you make it an option to comment on the transcript?

That makes so much sense.

That’s amazing. Here’s a pointed question. What subset or what types of interaction between community members, specific to [inaudible 14:16] , should be recorded?

At the end of the day, we’re trying to make better governance. How is that tied to that?

Very cool. How do you think that has affected…?

Exactly. In theory, this recording of all conversations and making the transcript available, makes sense to me. Have you been doing this all four years?

Yeah, totally. Honestly, I take a lot of inspiration from how you operate like this, because it was very clear to me that you care a lot about transparency in governance and collective intelligence. It’s important that these knowledge artifacts are to be easily accessed with…

You would only be pulled in in cases where we felt like you could provide a lot of value and the project called for it. Does that make sense?

Then there’s going to be community managers that know all the resources that are in the community and the gifts and then being able to matchmake. I would say if that sounds good to you, then it may not be a lot of work sometimes just to be a supporter ...

It may not even start this way, but it’ll certainly cease being the organic everyone knows each other and will just come naturally reach out to each other. We’ll have a whole protocol for requesting help so you’re very explicit about what you need help with.