I went and got that business degree as well. Out of that, I created…The whole point of why I wanted to do a business degree specifically is because I wanted to build my own platform – and I provided the charts – which helps early career artists and art students ...

I have basic life. [laughs] Especially because I’m Chinese, so people…I think they get very confused. They’re like, “What do you mean you only have two art degrees?” Whereas the other degree about somehow validate to say that you want to work in the art world.

I actually want to speak with you because I’m a lecturer, and I teach business management students about design and innovation. I come from an art background. I make public arts. Then, I finished off my PhD in business because people in the art world don’t take you seriously if ...