That was fascinating and hopefully, we have plenty of good content, I’m sure, that we are able to share.

Right, exactly. Fascinating. Thank you so much.

Right. It’s not something that you could do presumably post-hoc.

At the agenda-setting stage.

Amazing. That inclusivity lens is coming at a very early stage, almost at the policy level.

Also, we’ve heard this concept, particularly from India and Bangladesh of inclusion through an entrepreneurial approach to bridging the last-mile gap, if you like, and being able to access and use public services. I wonder, what is the frontier for you, if you like, in Taiwan?

We’ve heard a couple of really interesting things today on that. One is this idea of inclusivity is a constantly moving target. Of course, as technologies evolve, that gap could widen in all kinds of ways.

I wonder if we can just pick up for a moment on inclusion, given that it’s one of your focuses coming up.

Have there been any other examples that you’ve heard of from other countries that have really inspired…What in the last year or so has really caught your attention?

That’s really interesting. I think even just lately, some of those communities govtech is an interesting framing on how could you potentially harness that. Fascinating.

It’s a corridor or somewhere else…

And almost other instincts…

I could go on all evening, honestly. [laughs] Maybe just to finish with, is there anything else that’s top of mind for you right now either sparked by state or just in your role that priority that you want to share or talk about or highlight?

How do you make the case for your alternative vision of Assistive AI? Who has to be convinced?

Right, exactly what we were talking about as being one of the least desirable scenarios in this ideological model.

Just coming back to that notion of plurality, one of the things we were speaking about earlier was different views and more positive visions, if you like, for AI. Could you talk a little bit about that?

You’re more focused on the way of working, collaborating, and organizing the technology.

How do you essentially keep renewing the capability and motivation to keep that sense of purpose while also dealing with what is essentially increasing technological legacies…?

It’s something it seems like many digital service units that particularly are 10 years old are experiencing in different forms.

Fascinating. Is there anything today that folks have said that has surprised you in terms of trends or other government digital teams are thinking about?

What is another one or two trends that you would pick out that you think will be particularly important for Taiwan?

You mentioned some of the devoted geopolitical trends. We’ve just had a conversation here at the Bellagio Center around some of the big trends that will shape our world over the next 10 years and how they’ll impact digital government.

Of course. That prize is available…

You mentioned capacity building. That’s something that’s come up a lot during this event so far. What kind of lessons have you learned in terms of what works in building digital capacity, both within government but also within the broader ecosystem?

That’s very interesting. It’s almost like the idea of servant leadership exemplified as a ministry. That’s amazing.

Fascinating. For some digital units, it’s a real moment of risk though when they move from being either within a prime minister or president’s office or as a transversal program with a roving brief in their own ministry. Is that something that you’re concerned about? If so, what are you ...

Nice. Presumably, that’s only possible because you’ve been able to really build a thriving and highly capable a really mature digital ecosystem. Do you think what you’re describing would have been possible five and a half years ago?

That’s hugely exciting because that’s surely a real recognition of everything that you and the team in the community really has achieved over the last five and a half years.

Audrey, you were mentioning earlier about the new Ministry of Digital Affairs. Tell us about that. What’s the plan?