Thank you.

It’s great. I think I am good.

I think we’ve talked about everything.

Perfect. Is there anything else you’d like to talk about?

What did you think of their speeches?

Carla Qualtrough?

Are you meeting with Scott Brison at all? I know Canada and Taiwan don’t have diplomatic relations, but I was just wondering, are you planning to meet with him at all or any of his staff?

At a certain point, it does need to come back and recharge.

Government would have to do it.

Because government is not cleaning the air.

I want to see if I’ve missed any of my questions here. With social enterprises, how do you get things like non-profits to start thinking more digitally in order to create that ecosystem? A lot of them are underfunded, not funded, or they’re continually in flux. How do you get ...

Because the artificial intelligence can always do better than you.

It’s learning how to learn, and unlearn, and re-learn, too.

They take a programming class.

Perfect. All right, then. You clearly think that technology can make the world better and change the world. What advice would you give to young people who share that dream or that goal?

I think that’s everything. I think I’m out of time. I think I said half an hour?

Which ones?

Are you meeting with any Canadian officials while you’re here?

It’s like releasing any kind of media request, for example, answers.

How do you go about that to bring about social change?

How do you think that can be translated into the Canadian context, where people might not be as familiar with...We’re used to traditional protest in Canada.

The digital was the connector between everyone else.

What was that like, to be in the parliament and occupying it?

You first came to prominence as a protester.

Do you use digital technology and Skype into other remote parts? That’s what you mean when you say digital...

Would you recommend our digital government minister, for example, do things like the Social Innovation Lab where you sit for 12 hours and just talk to whoever comes in?

When you’re thinking of a social policy, you’re also considering impact on the environment and how you can make that more digital, so they all work in tandem.

Yeah.

As a minister too, what do you think is the most difficult part of your job?

Taiwan is a leader in that region on gender issues.

No? OK.

Do you feel like you need to set an example at all or...

As far as we know, you’re the world’s first transgender minister.

Are you ever concerned about stuff with that?

Are you ever concerned about security when you’re traveling around different parts of the world or even different parts of Taiwan? I think of our ministers. A lot of the time, they’re in very structured environments. The Prime Minister’s security guards often say Prime Minister Trudeau was difficult in a ...

They’re like, "I see in your transcript that you said the government can’t do the solution, so..."

How do you go about your day? What does day look like on maybe an average day when you’re not traveling?

Turning more to you and your work as a minister, why do you choose to have everything transcribed and put on the Internet that you’re...Where does that philosophy come from?

Transcription is my least favorite part of doing this.

One of the biggest complaints or downsides of automation is that it loses human jobs, because machines can often do things faster than humans can. How do you balance the need for innovation with also making sure people have a way to make money? [laughs]

They procured it 10 years ago and they only launched it in 2016 and already technology has surpassed them. How do you balance that process and bureaucracy with digital technology that’s moving so much faster?

I guess that is the biggest thing with Canada. The bureaucracy tends to be pretty slow moving. We’re just starting to move into the more digital space. How do you think that Canada can keep up? Technology moves so quickly that often by the time the government is done procuring ...

Yeah.

What do you think are some steps that Canada could go about doing that?

Canada’s just beginning to get into digital services. In July is when we appointed our minister of digital government. What advice do you have for Canada in terms of how to integrate digital more into everyday life and into government services?

How about in Ottawa? What are you up to here?

Yeah. What have you been up to?

Perfect. Tell me about why you’re here. Have you met with any Canadian officials or done anything notable?

Hopefully.

Good. I wanted to make it to the conference, but it didn’t work out. [laughs]