Thank you.

Thank you very much.

I’ll do that. Thank you very much. I’ve been to a conference here.

Shall we just do it on email?

About the digital memory archive, did you have any people in mind?

I hope we can digitize it.

Thank you.

It’s great stuff. Thank you very much.

Exactly, that’s interesting.

It seems like the art exhibition over here, too, was very unusual.

In these?

What’s going to be done with these buildings, and is there any plans for developing this?

It was used for that?

That’s what it means? Really, even in the original, too?

I can’t read that Chinese character there, but it’s a very strong statement, political warfare.

...it said art and political warfare.

Yeah, lots of fun. Then when I came in through one of the gates, here, I was met by this odd sign...

This compound here, it’s a very interesting place. I’ve never been inside this area before.

It was started by you?

Is this Social Innovation Lab part of your project?

This is a government initiative?

We can use the wave and water power, alongside the windmills.

My friends may have some questions or comments, I think.

And Norway.

Eventually? You will do it through windmills?

OK, very nice. One of the topics in this video was: can Taiwan survive without nuclear power plants? Do you think so?

I saw the Taipei Art Biennial now, which has "Post-nature" as a topic. I don’t know if you have had time to see it, but it really demonstrated all the local initiatives around Taiwan beautifully. There is also a very tough video documentary about the history and life of the ...

I think it’s very interesting, and fills me with optimism, when I see the way you can work both nationally and internationally. Do you think that you can help Taiwan become recognized, and get access to more international venues through your work?

That’s interesting. I saw that you gave a talk at the UNs, open social enterprise. That looked like a very interesting event. I heard it was also some conflict around an issue, that China tried to stop the live stream.

Is it legal now?

So you think there is a stronger sort of autonomous social sector, perhaps, in Taiwan, than in Norway, or in Europe? To me, it seems like EU has certainly become one of the only forces in the world who are able to confront the tendency of monopolizing the Internet by ...

Do you have issues like that here in Taiwan, when it comes to these global infrastructure clashes, as I would call them?

It changes the infrastructure of a nation, this clash between the local and the global. In Norway, and in the EU, there are many efforts at regulating some of the so-called innovations from the tech companies in Silicon Valley.

Norway is well-known for having almost 250 local newspapers. It’s one of the highest per capita in the world, I think. Now, many of these newspapers lose revenues, because even local companies put their ads on Facebook, rather than in the local newspapers. The newspapers lose...

Interesting. Can I ask you something about Taiwan and the world, and this concerns also Norway in the world, our research project. It’s about how do you look at the influence of Facebook. It’s enormously strong now.

It’s a little peculiar, or misunderstood out there, maybe.

Yeah, a legal technicality, and also questioning what is already a human right?

Many people abroad have considered it as a little bit strange that Taiwan has a referendum concerning a...

I guess that explains it. Then, in the end, it means that the civil code won’t be changed, according to the referendum?

It seemed like going away from the matter. My friend told me that. To most people who didn’t know what context this was in, they would say, "Yes, that sounds natural to me." It wasn’t really about it. It sounded very strange to me. What is your comment on this, ...

Yeah, I heard about that. I thought that...

The question was not about gay marriage at all. It wasn’t addressed explicitly. It was a total displacement of the original question. I was very shocked when I...

Then a friend of mine told me recently how the question was posed to the audience in Taiwan and the question was something like, "Do you think that the natural way to get married is between one man, and one woman?" and then people could say yes or no.

Can I ask you a question on a different subject? Because I learned about the referendum, like the one on gay marriage.

That would be great, thank you so much.

My wife can help translate this.

The right people in cultural ministry, perhaps, too, who initiated these derivative projects.

This is very interesting. I’m trying to write about this, but it’s very difficult to get an overview of the Taiwanese situation. Maybe we can exchange some info, if you have a good connection in the field that you could put me in touch with?

The National Central Library have a project called Taiwan Memory, also. It’s about the Japanese era. That is also a derivative then?

That took over from TELDAP, in a way?