Literally, with the transcript?

I mean when there’s a cabinet meeting, can you go?

Presume you can’t attend the cabinet because your colleagues wouldn’t want their deliberations made public, but you can’t not make them public, right? How do you...?

I mean...

I meant more of how did the president come to...

Silicon Valley culture, a transgender minister, all these things that must seem radical to people. How did you come to get your job, and how have other people responded to it?

Related questions, how did this come about, and how has it gone down? It just seems to me that, as you say, you’re the only minister doing this in the world. I’ve got limited experience of the Taiwanese government and bureaucracy, but it seems fairly like bureaucracies everywhere, a staid, ...

The KYC was a real example of the...

If the fintech company came along and said, "Actually, I think the capital requirements, we can get by without, you know, the starting capital," then the committee would presumably say...

I didn’t follow in that explanation, if there is a moment for the government to intervene and say, "Oh, hang on a second. That’s a fork too far," if you see.

When you said companies can literally break the law for a year, can you explain what you meant by that?

It in effect provided better organizing methods that were instantly plugged into politics.

You mean the fact that the digital and the political were mixed...

How does that lead to more civic participation necessarily? I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t see the connection.

They channeled that energy into...

You mean that because people weren’t fully participating in electoral democracy, but they still had that urge...

There you go. Iceland and then Taiwan. It seems to me related to what I was saying about the incredibly vigorous civil society. Can you explain how you think that came about here exactly? Why is it that Taiwan is so blessed with that when so few countries are? What’s ...

You must get this all the time. It seems your appointment, the conditions you just described, it’s unusual. I assume it’s a first in Taiwan. It would be a first almost anywhere.

That’s a good segue to another broad topic that I’d like to ask about, but I don’t want to stop if you guys have more to ask about.

Can you give us some scary stats or anecdotes about how frequent, or how severe, or how accomplished the kinds of cyber attacks you’ve experienced are in government?

If I can ask this slightly awkward political question, do you think this sort of thing is only possible in a DPP government in the sense that the DPP has closer ties to those protest movements and that organizing? Could you imagine this in the previous government, for example?

Maybe that’s right. Does that make Taiwan more or less vulnerable to the same degree as those other democracies to this kind of stuff?

It seems to me that Taiwan has a uniquely vigorous civil society -- the Sunflower Movement, all these campaigns on the environment, on gay marriage, all of this stuff -- and degree of public engagement that many longer-standing democracies would love to have, and don’t.

I’m going to first make a contention, which I’d be very interested to hear your views on, but then ask how it plays into all of this stuff.

A lot of the Russian stuff, the indictments describe as race-based news trying to get the two different races across from each other in relative action. I haven’t seen detailed reporting suggesting the Chinese do that thing. What are they up to, if they are up to Internet-based disinformation here ...

The sense is that the Chinese don’t do exactly the same thing when they’re trying to interfere in other people’s politics. What is your sense here? Clearly, Taiwan is often caught on the frontline of Chinese influence operations. Do you see them doing similar things with targeted ads on Facebook ...

We’re very familiar with the idea with the Russians, the Mueller investigation told us how the Russians...With the indictments, we learned how they hacked Facebook and planted these ads.

The analogy you made with spam and email, are you saying that in some similar timeframe, the world, or at least Taiwan, will get a handle on disinformation, and it won’t seem like the threat that it currently does to all the people who are wound up about it?

The dot, dot, dot.

Madden Laws a bit?