OK.

A month of continuous flight would have impact. [laughs]

(laughs)

It was never his intention to go to Russia or China.

He was in transit when they canceled his passport.

It was not really a conscious choice. He did not want to end up in Russia.

…first. Then he went on. Then he was in Russia. Then his passport was canceled.

No. Snowden said clearly, he did not choose Hong Kong. He happened to end up there…

Asylum.

You have five minutes?

It would not be more painful than dealing with those sales agent at this last PCBA company, but of course… well, I worked nights in Switzerland with this stuff. I can do that again. It is a good… [laughs]

It will be fine.

Yes, it would.

Huh?

I already had to work with z/OS in my bank time back in Switzerland… in case I cannot get any five-day visas afterwards… this meeting, and cannot withdraw money…

Yeah, z/OS.

Yeah.

Checks.

Yeah.

Hello! [winks]

Google claims they did, right? [laughs]

Oh, pray that no one ever reaches quantum supremacy. [laughs]

“But if the crypto algorithm is Open Source, isn’t it unsecure?”, “Dude, it is even more secure, because everyone can look at the code and agree that it is safe.” Then, as long as the crypto key is private, as long as you keep the private key…

Yeah. “Did you realize security by obscurity is not real security?”

Yes.

Yes, exactly. What in case…

Good answer.

Yeah.

Well, that is actually what I hear in Shenzhen, by the way.

Yeah. What is the motivation for having so much recording devices everywhere? In general…

What is the motivation for that much surveillance, anyway?

Exactly.

I guess or better, I hope… at least… that at least the handling of the imagery data…

So, how, ehm… camera-wise, it is kind a density like I am used in Shenzhen, Macau, and Hong Kong.

Another question! I noticed… we noticed, Hernâni and I, since we arrived… there is an awful lot of cameras everywhere.

Way beyond.

Are there water rats… I mean, recently, the rats came, for Estonia’s e-government.

Cut the cables. I mean like actual mechanical other people snorkeling down the undersea cables.

Especially Switzerland, also with this image of, “Yeah, we stand independent here.” Then the US comes, “Hey, can we make a spying post?”, “Yeah, easy.” [laughs]

Yes, that is what happened here. Either it is governmental help, investors, or crowdfunding. At the end of the day, we just need a lab cooperating with us, right? For now, I have been running around. When I do not find someone to run around instead of me in the ...

We tried that, too.

…I tried to convince governments. Now, I talked with German governments and the Shenzhen administration, everywhere and everyone…”Everything Free and Open Source, no intellectual properties? Where is the business case? Get lost. There is the door.” Right?

You can tune something there… you can tune something there… but there is not this magic solution – this git hammer, right? – which makes the silicon suddenly super cheap. It has a certain cost. I think the only way, and I tried now…

Then you still have the fixed costs of running a lab. That means having the air pumps. The air does not pump itself through the HEPA filters. You actually have to have actual air-con, airflow planning. The operational costs of a lab just can go so low.

That would actually eliminate the need for mask-making.

Actually, me, as Lanceville Technologies, we actually already talk about making a maskless lithography system, which uses an LCD, based on some draft – the prototype from Samsung, which brought us to this idea. I read some papers on how to do it, and we discussed in Mumble last Sunday… ...

Yeah, I think the problem is however, with semiconductor manufacturing… really, is that these fixed costs you have with operating a factory. They cannot be fixed with some version control. It is just really that programming just costs so much for a little. The same goes for phosphorous, chlorine, and ...

I think that is…

Let us say the rent we pay is actually already a discount, I estimate. I really guess it is government-funded. The only way that actually can happen… LibreSilicon… in the long run would be if a government would say, “OK. You know what? It has enough of incentive. We have ...

…also parts, and pay for the entire assembly. Now, we come to silicon. Silicon, if you have a problem, if you layout and then you have to pay another 2,000, 4,000 US dollars to make a new mask set… it is even more expensive. Then you have the entire operational ...