Cheers.
Good.
...will be, if you want to hang out. We’re really impressed with what you’re doing. Let’s keep in touch.
Thank you so much. It’s so great to meet you. I’m disappointed that I haven’t spent more time with you when you’ve in New Zealand. Next time you do come...
No.
Good. Let me get a selfie, if that’s all right.
Nat and Jenine are the people you need to talk to.
I’m sure you’ll get invited again. [laughs]
Everything goes to Auckland. Wellington goes to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane.
From Taipei?
Do you have any plans to come back to New Zealand?
You can’t make this shit up.
Exactly.
What an ironic reversal. That’s so beautiful. [laughs]
Really?
Do you have much pushback to your transcript policies?
That’s good. Thank you so much for taking notes for me. [laughs]
I think you don’t need to be official friends to be friends, anyway. [laughs] That’s good.
If things are starting at the local level, and then building up to the national level, I think that’s really healthy.
Yeah. To be fair, in a way, it forces you think that way. That’s a good way to think.
There’s good stuff here. [laughs]
The whole political situation, again, is, I just don’t understand it. I talked to my Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They said, "Oh, we don’t deal with Taiwan Central Government. We happily deal with the city."
I think so, yeah.
I expect that to grow. That [the digitaln slack] only started a couple of weeks ago.
I think Scotland are doing something as well.
It’s pretty disorganized, from what I understand.
Are you aware of other countries doing something like that?
That would be very cool.
That’s really interesting.
Yeah.
We’re specifically looking for teams, but I can see the...
Either way.
Oh, absolutely, yeah.
I read the blog post.
Again, there’s a Google Doc. It’s there for anybody to do anything with if people want to contribute to it.
There’s always that risk that people are going to look at something, and just turn it into a ticking the box exercise.
If you...
Not at all.
This was...
It was a collective outpouring of support for the people that are actually taking risks and doing innovative stuff.
To be honest, I’m not sure where it’s going to go, or what we’re going to do with it, but I felt frustrated at the time of working government. Just a lot of people within government didn’t really understand how hard innovation is, and what the constraints are.
Oh, really?
"...The Government Innovation Manifesto."
That’s exciting. Also, if you go back to the Lean Policy website, Brenda and I wrote a document called the...
If you can send me a link to that as well, that’d be great. Is that multilingual, or is it...?
Like Clippy.
If that’s something you’re interested in, that’s good.
It is similar, yeah.
Yeah. It’s a bit more complicated.
