Bye, y’all.

OK, great, cool. I will send all of the agreements that we’re asking people to affirm to you immediately, so you can pass through and make sure that your access is OK to leverage. Thank you, Audrey. Thank you, Alaphia.

Then ultimately, we’ve got a first tranche of applications for your thoughts and comments on that are ready for you. We’ll introduce those as well.

Then if you have any questions at all for Alaphia or I, please feel free to just email us directly. Then we’ll go from there. Where you’re presumed to be all good, one of the first orders, I’ll be sending an email with an introduction to all the other councilmembers, ...

I want to be mindful that we’re at time. We’re actually over time. I have a list of things that I just want to send you to make sure we’re completely on the same page as far as access, commitments, and affirmations, Audrey. I’ll send that to you.

[laughs] Presets. Reset’s presets.

We look at the technology, and we fault it for not having known safe primitives that are causing harm. Can we do the same thing for some of the policies that we’re making? That’s just an open question.

What can we learn also being tech centered as well to make things that are a bit more grounded in some sort of equivalent, formal policy setting primitives that we’re talking about when we’re actually looking at the technology?

There’s a lot of primitive models that exist. We just need to tap them. I think the interesting thing of, how do we… Where Reset could be potentially different is it’s not that we aren’t political and that politics and the softer human nature won’t decide what policies we pass.

You sowed the seeds that got us there. I think that that’s, where do we start? What are the organizations now? How do we make sure that…? I think, Audrey, you said it, that there’s not…The idea that a model for auditing civil society dependent algorithms, it doesn’t exist, is ...

You can bring us back to how we can…

Sorry. I lost you.

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Now, we’re getting into a liquid democracy and all these other things, so I’m just going to step away from that radical. [laughs]

With quadratic voting and more real time assessment of where is the populous at right now but still avoiding populism swings, you could end up in a situation where a change in temperament from society, enshrined by a law requiring this vote, changes the individual contracts that agencies, companies, and ...

I really want to get you and Pia together to talk about, when do we start passing legislation that allows for more fluidity in those decisions? Where it’s like, it’s so hard for the subjective stuff to pass a law that results in a contract that the government has to ...

I just really appreciate those comments.

It’s like, what’s your decision trees, for which things do you want to use that are tried and true? Rather than go straight to the cool, new — a bad analogy, but — sexy thing that would get everyone really excited, because it’s glittery and new. That could be very ...

That there was so much tried and true within existing models, algorithms, and mathematical functions that did exist that were being underleveraged that we knew were safe. Now, they’re moving towards more of that.

Where they’re like, “We got into grad school, or we went to a company, and we were so motivated by coming up with the cool, new model that we didn’t think existed that was going to do something.” Then after they became more informed, they realized that actually, that was ...

I think that that’s one aha. Then I was just going to say, Audrey, your position about the tried and true, I have been astounded in the last two to three years about how many folks who, like machine learning, data scientists, experts, have all come to that same conclusion.

That’s how it’s supposed to be. It doesn’t often work that way, but Reset is trying to come up with the policy component to both auditing and other, more responsible algorithmic machine learning models, how do you make sure that you can stand by both of them being built on ...

I’m totally bridging very bad analogies, but how do you ensure that there’s a clear primitive for the policy that you’re putting in place as well that’s grounded in some sort of research or evidence based?

Then I was just extend that, Alaphia, to one of the things that is a nugget that’s been in the back of my head with the Lando project, which you got a brief introduction to is how do you do functional legislating in the same way?

I was just going to add a couple weird antidotes. One is like where functional programming, functional machine learning, functional algorithms built, I think that that’s like…

Absolutely. Take it away.

I’m so 110 percent committed to… When we have this conversation this time, say, next year for another year’s commitment from you, there will be quadratic voting, and we will be using that. It won’t be an up, down, or maybe. I 110 commit to that.

I will do two things. I will make sure they’re not required, because they might be required right now. I haven’t actually used them yet, but I think that’s the default. Then if it is a setting that for right now is limited by needing to be required, I’ll just ...

That means you will keep track of your hours spent doing the work of Reset and then bill us for it, and we’ll pay you.

Got it, right. Of course.

That’s fine. Is that something that we can do? Can we do a single disbursement for a projected amount of hours annually? Or do you need to do an invoice?

Yeah. I haven’t actually told Ben or Alaphia this yet, but I did publish an offline online code of conduct for Reset to abide, because I wanted it to be true before we got into reviewers, applications, people posting feedback, and all these other things. I think it’s based on ...

I did want to just, before we get to the code, there’s the guiding lights. Those lights can be changed, shaded, or risen up.

Please bring it to me. Tell me what needs to be changed. I will ideally, if it’s just an oversight, a done, I should have known better, I will be able to send you right back 30 seconds later the same page changed, and we can go from there.

When you go to log in for the first time, you see those things, and you either don’t click them or you click them and go see them, and you see things that are missing, or you hear people within your network who are applying, and they’ve got serious feedback, ...

At the top line, before you even get to how you’re voting, what you’re saying in your vote, and what it actually means, these things are defining us. They’re the ones that we want our advisory councilmembers writ large to have a say in.

I wanted to put that back to you, when you do see, and if you do hear any feedback from your community about the values and principles that Reset is abiding by, the code of conduct that they’re using is limiting, and/or hurtful, or affecting in any sort of negative ...

My commitment to them was that’s just because we haven’t formally engaged you to know that those things should be there yet. It’s not that we don’t, it’s just that I’m the editor for this page. They should make a judgment and hold me to it.

This came up with a previous councilmember, very rightly so, which is for them there are movements that are specific to their communities and their people that they don’t see as Reset identifying with or representing in strong ways.

Here on the record, I can very much affirm that we have no intention to rally some lawyers around people that violate this. We’ll just remove access. Anyway, what I did want to, on the code of conduct, there’s a set of values and principles.

That’s right.

We’re not asking you to sign a contract for your honorarium or any of your work. What we are asking you to do is to abide by a code of conduct and some best practices on data privacy when you log into the system. That is a contract. I don’t ...

Yeah. Any other questions, thoughts, or things that you would want me…? I think I sent a list of the guide. It’s ever changing. One thing that I want to just really flag is where we’re asking people when they apply, when they review…

Where we could potentially bake that into our own process, that would be awesome.

Gitcoin is an example of, “No, people are making money using much more fair and distributed decision making process.” As an alternate technology, an alternate ad network, an alternate… There are so many different things that they’re playing with that are great examples that I think align with things that ...

No, actually, I think that they’re a great… To Alaphia’s point of alternate technologies, where the surveillance capitalism phrase can often provoke people to think that, if you’re a supporter of antagonizing surveillance capitalist, you’re a communist, a socialist, or you don’t believe in markets.

What you just, as a to do I’m taking is to flesh out and modern that issue up. Then look to you for who do you know within your community that would be interested in either, not the development, just thinking about the implementation and being more of a scope ...

I was just looking through some of the issues. There is, actually, I have a “replace the current voting with the quadratic voting,” and then point to some implementations. There are much better implementations now.

I am so 110 percent focused on, there is money that Reset will offer these projects that are considered the best, but there’s no reason why we couldn’t facilitate that into a crowd offering and a crowd vote as well and have that be some sort of metric for impacting ...

Awesome, right. There’s so many platforms. I’m not saying Open Collective is one that we should use, but there are so many platforms that would offload the work of maintaining the crowdfunding aspect. We just have to leverage the API.