…Indonesia country? We need to write a report. [laughs]
You want to share with the…
Not into the recorder.
Not for the formal interview.
[laughs] Yeah, literally.
What can social sector do? We really encounter this kind of problem. [laughs]
You know. State is always stronger so far. You are the strongest social leaders in the past, but right now, you are in government. [laughs] This imbalance of relationship between the state and the society, if the government intentionally distribute disinformation, what the social…
I do have a question. I really appreciated the social-sector-first approach but, in our society, not to mention other country yet, actually, it’s an imbalance, the power relation between society and the state.
It’s not part of official sector.
How do we deal with that?
Can you name a few you feel is…
I heard about them.
Who made this kind of a humor…
It’s similar as the…
Zongchai is a Mandarin pronunciation. In Mandarin, we say 總柴, similar to Zongchai. It’s a trusted…
A great example. [laughs]
Can you pass this to us? That’s a kind of a…
Can you give a example how humor over rumor…?
Humor over rumor, very interesting term.
What made this kind of fact-check…
Cannot be trusted by the public.
PPPP, you follow that.
That’s very interesting.
Why do you not mention fake news?
Take it easy, take it easy. Minister is really nice. Don’t worry, he’s not a typical…
Just ask the questions.