Thank you very much, Audrey. Thanks for your time.

You were an engineer for them, I guess? A consultant?

You were actually working on Siri with Apple?

You were working with Apple?

It seems to me that if you have a competitor that’s paying five times what you are paying... People will talk about, "Oh, we offer a better culture," and so on. This is a really hard, money talks, unfortunately. Do you think that this is something that Taiwan can never ...

Congratulations. I think you’ve done really well for yourself. It’s incredible. You’re occupying one of these really interesting positions. It’s great. Let’s see what else we have. I guess I should ask, on this issue of remuneration.

What did your parents think?

It wasn’t the case that you were failing?

Were you doing well in school at the time, or were you struggling?

That’s great. Congratulations.

Was what you were doing a rebellion, because you were...?

I haven’t lived in Singapore for many, many years, but in Singapore, there is a real push now to just reevaluate all of the education. They feel that it’s too results-focused. It breeds elitism, and blah, blah, blah. Did you go through that yourself personally?

Did you feel traditional education is... It’s very clichéd when I say this, but did you struggle, and then were pushing back, because you felt that there are other, better ways to get educated? Which is very true, in a lot of societies, like Singapore, for instance, where I’m from.

Oh, I see. OK, sorry. The startup, you were just branching out, because you felt that this was...

I was under this impression that you were helping to support your brother or something?

Is it you were doing this to support your family?

Did it make money?

Oh, CoolBid, I see.

You said Cool-Bit?

What did your startup do?

How did you figure out? If I read Pinyin, I would not figure out what the person is even saying.

He writes Pinyin? That’s so difficult to read.

That you were writing people?

Did that actually happen?

High school, right. How did that happen? What led you to where you are now?

I was doing some research before I met you, and I just want to step outside what we’re talking a little bit, and talk a little bit about your background. You have a really interesting background. You dropped out from...?

China has really moved to a much more competitive position. I wonder whether Taiwan is now just in a very difficult position of having to invest...It’s still sort of trapped by the fact that China is a huge buyer for what it makes, and Taiwan is now essentially having to ...

Yeah.

One of the questions that I had on my list, I guess, was about...I’m fascinated by this idea that Taiwan is in a really difficult position here, because at the same time that...You alluded to this a little bit when you talk about how 20 years since, 20 plus years, ...

In your role, do you get a lot of interaction with a wider range of technology companies such as semiconductors and so on?

After doing...

That’s really interesting, and it makes sense. I guess this will be quite a recent development that happened in recent years. Is that right?

Are there any better known names among these human resources agencies that have these connections?

Right.

There’s nothing illegal about going out and looking for Taiwanese talent.

Yeah, there’s nothing wrong...

Human resource companies here maybe they have some sort of mainland funding or shareholding?

That’s so interesting that they have human resource companies here. Are these Chinese-owned companies, or are they Taiwanese companies that...

Chinese.

Does that happen?

Coming back to the point that...

Can you repeat that?

Who bring the trade secrets.

Yes, that’s more what it is.

I guess the primary problem that Taiwanese and American semiconductors makers are finding out as a result of this revised competitive positioning from China, they’re facing a lot of intellectual property theft issues. That, I guess, is something that they are very worried about. Do you...?

They’ve become more competitive.

I just wanted to get a chance... I’m sure in the course of your work a lot of businesses probably come to you and you may have some contact with that. I wanted to get a sense from you on where things stand. Where do you see Taiwan as these ...

Anyway, I’m here because I wanted to talk about... I was researching China. I cover Asia trade and economy for the journal. One of the issues that we looking into is the trade frictions, particularly between China and the US. Taiwan is emerging as a primary venue where all this ...

E-sports?

Do you feel the changes the way people respond? Do you feel that maybe it gets results faster? I don’t know. What’s your sense of how useful is it as a tool?