There is no reason not allowing people whose papers were already accepted by IGF to enter the building.

Yeah, you can lead the delegation.

Okay, I can see this. That happened in a WSIS regional meeting.

No, no, no. You should try to enter the building officially.

Not to enter the building?

Our Ambassador to the U.S.

Yeah.

So they can produce some exceptions for Taiwan. They just did not want to do it.

Yeah. I will show you the badge.

Yeah, just a comma. And they don’t think that’s good, not for me. I would not accept that kind of badge. So they decided to produce a new badge for me. Without any word on Taiwan or China or something like that.

And try to produce in their system for a new badge. So because the old system has, the old badge has “Taiwan, province of China”, something like that.

So I decided to walk to that building and say that, okay, that’s what I have. And he looked at my passport and said, “Oh, Taiwan.” I said, “Of course, it’s Taiwan. So what do you expect from me?” And they said, “Well, just give me some moment.” Okay, so ...

And I also requested an online link in case that I can’t get into that building, and they did not answer. So I decided I would just fly to Geneva, okay, for a week, to see what they would do. And when I landed at Geneva, they sent me the ...

…a member state. And I replied that, well, you know, the only ID I have is a Taiwan passport. Would that work? Okay. And he would not answer the question. Okay. And just repeat the rules, the policy of UN Secretary.

But the situation was like this. I registered online, okay, and I passed the registration. They sent me an email saying that, well, you are registered, but you have to bring your ID from…

Everybody gets one.

You are an American citizen.

I’m going to lead another delegation to Amsterdam and Finland. Sorry, yeah, it’s already scheduled.

Because what I heard is that the country that is in charge of this year’s summit is Japan. And Japan wants to have all the Taiwanese to be included, either online or physically. So you should talk to…

Yeah, I don’t need, you know, my badge, okay, they should be described as a badge for Taiwanese or for Chinese people. You can just say that I’m an expert for the IGF PNAI. That’s totally good.

And you know, I’m the expert, not some kind of general Taiwanese citizen. And they sent me the invitation. So what’s the point of not allowing me to get into the building? So I stayed there for three days. That’s very funny. Nobody raised any issue about, you know, there ...

So it’s okay though. Because what they want is a valid ID from a member state. So there’s an ID from member state, but it’s not valid.

Okay, so I brought my driver’s license, okay, actually from Virginia. Okay, and 20 years ago.

I think Isabel will be there, right? You will be there. You are going to…

Okay. They sort of selected me to become one of the experts of IGF’s newly established Policy Network on Artificial Intelligence. We just finished some reports. I will just send the files to you. But I’m not going to make it. Sorry. Maybe next year.

Because I have a schedule of visits to…

No, I’m not going to. You are talking about the IGF?

Yeah, he just wants to listen to you.

Yeah.

So that’s oolong tea or some tea from the high mountains?

See? He’s my classmate. Many years ago, 35 years ago.