Thank you all. Bye bye.

Thank you, very much so.

Hear, hear.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, Rachael, for having me here. It’s been an excellent conversation today. Thank you Minister for taking the time to talk to two Canadians. [laughs]

I’ll be putting forward your name to be heard at our committee if you’re so willing.

The start of that, though Minister and I wish we would have connected earlier, just a different time in different situation, but we had all the social dilemma. People come to our committees for Shoshana Zuboff, and all the who’s who of that space came to our committee to be ...

That’s perfect. I’ll be looking at it because we’re just having this struggle about what do we do in Canada. That even gets near where we want to be. This gets us much further down the road.

Yeah. I love it. I love the analogy. Whatever that Canadian example looks like. We need to study what you guys have done, and see how we can implement this ourselves. I love it that we’re not pushing all the rest out of the space. It has a chance and ...

Still, the analogy is great, to stay out of the nightclubs when we don’t want to be there in the first place. We’d rather just be in that quiet park with our dog and our kids playing, right in that safe space.

I’d say, we could give some the credit to ourselves for that, but it’s got so much more to grow and get better because we still see these. I was just again on a call before, about hate speech. How do we still have that free public square? This looks ...

Part of the actions we’ve seen from Facebook have been because of we pushed them to, you better do this yourself or legislation is coming. We’ve seen some of those good moves where you need to be a…I liked how you even phrased it, “Not just the Internet of Things, ...

I do. Well, I was just going to make a comment. Minister, you talked about I was the guy who subpoenaed Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg. Our premise was foreign interference was a big deal as I’m sure it is in Taiwan. It’s a big deal in Canada.

Interesting.

There’s a great example of people that has a healthy distrust for government. Yeah, that’s great. I’ll pass it back to Rachael. That’s good stuff. Thanks.

You’re not pushing them out of the space. This is just a significant operator within that space.

Maybe just one last question Minister. How many Facebook users do you have in Taiwan?

Surprised, we haven’t thought about it sooner on this side of the Pacific. Kudos to you for doing it. I just see, man, this is the way we need to keep going forward on this. It’s a great example.

No. Go ahead. There’s so many things swimming around right now, after what just been said, I think of extremely clever way of doing this, addressing it and exactly. It’s funny how it becomes obvious when somebody else is probably how certain things are invented, but what you just said ...

Thank you.

I was going to ask just about infrastructure, the cost of it. What is the management look like? I know Google’s got a thousands of employees, and they’re almost a trillion dollar. I can’t really know what they are. What is the sort of the cost to the government per ...

Yeah, absolutely.

The fact that you’re doing this in your very hotbed of anybody’s being challenged with their democracy and their security and data, it’s you in Taiwan and you’re managing to make it work.

To me that’s brilliant in that it’s so similar to what we consider, I was just in Stanley Park last week. The reason why it’s a public space is because, we all have this common interest to keep that space preserved. The analogy is so similar to the Digital Public ...

It’s completely government app?

How does it pay for itself? Does it generate? Does it have ads, like any other platform?

What was the name of that social media?

Minister Tang based on what you just said there too. What do you find the usership? I assume there’s Facebook and not all this typical social media platforms are in Taiwan. What is the usership of Pol.is versus these other platforms? Are they highly used?

You’re not going to bring your family there for dinner?

It is a social media platform.

Thank you.

See, to me we’re looking at the writing these algorithms to get to exactly where you’re at. Recreating the wheel, you’ve already created the wheel, we just have to figure out how that’s going to be implemented in North America.

Interesting.

Pol.is.

I guess to me, I have to do a bit of more of my homework on what your legislation looks like. Again, we’re looking for models that will protect that public square. Sometimes there are going to be abrasive conversations there. In this woke world that we’re in now, it ...

It’s an interesting way to put that. We just talked about the polarization and the desire in the best case. It always drives the conversation to the polar left or the polar right. Most of us exist in the middle, whether it’s we have dinner together, we typically stay in ...

How do you find your version, I think you call the DPA, how do you find it working with social media? How’s it going?

How are you finding the rollout of that? Canada, I don’t know if you know much about our legislation. We have C11 that’s been talked about. I’ve read it thoroughly. It’s really set up as a bit of a smokescreen. It’s supposed to deal with this stuff, but there are ...

I think you’ve already…OK, and my apologies.

I just was on a call before this with the panel on the social dilemma the people that actually made that video. There’s a lot of issues. There’s data minimization, your security is being an issue. There’s so many different facets. Do you have a GDPR type set of regulations ...

I look at security, I look at data and I look at all these concerns that we’re having about what do you do about all these problems that we’re having. It’s a big question, and I realized the answer is a difficult one to answer. What are some of the ...

I was looking at your resume and I see you’re quite the expert on anything digital, and I appreciate your expertise. I got thrown into this as becoming the chair of the ethics committee, Access to Information, Privacy, dealing with Facebook and all the rest. I’ve been to Taiwan, personally, ...

I hate to step on your toes there, Rachael, but I just have a question.

Sorry, can you hear me?

Sure. When you’re ready anytime.