Can I jump to a different thing for a little bit?

And that it’s not obvious that it’s like, maybe it’s tuned a little bit for retention, but it’s not obviously addictive. And it’s more like the Facebook pages that slowly drift a population over time.

Yeah, that’s exactly right.

And do you have any thoughts on, like, is that just laws? You’re like, nope, that’s illegal? Or how do you think about that?

Yeah, sort of like pay for more representation. More like in society, yeah.

Yeah, so that seems, yeah, I’ll just stop there, because I’m like, how? How do we think about creating institutions that go beyond good speech, bad speech into good relationship, bad relationship? It seems very tenuous.

Yeah. Because like one of the other institutions that I don’t think exists and we haven’t talked about is, of course, there exists right now, lots and lots of bots, and they have real influence on elections and outcome, but we don’t have any institutions that deal with the transformative ...

There is no one solution I’m hearing from this, there’s just an ecology of like reinforcements and solutions.

Or even chemistry synthesis, it was performing better than specialized models.

Mm-hmm. No single point of failure and then self-healing when one point has failed.

Every legacy system just became like a giant surface area.

Yeah, you’re sort of saying you already have a Lego block and you can make this new thing fit the Lego block, like put it into that format, then it’s sort of like reduced to a previously solved case. It’s sort of what you’re saying.

Very, very personal when I was like, oh, I have very high mercury levels, arsenic levels, and glyphosate found in my body. And I’m like, oh, those externalities that I think of as just like out there and abstract, actually all the things we talk about are inside of me. ...

I was just thinking… The kinds of things you can make leaderboards for are generally like acute, attributable harms. And then there’s this whole… which of course is gonna force all the harms into the likes of chronic, long-term, diffuse, hard to attribute harm. So, I’m just curious that your ...

Then they will not be… Like their big letter that lots and lots of people signed, even some of who we thought were our allies saying, like oh, actually open source is safe. This is an example of them decimating the race to safety.