We can overlay two spaces together, and we can free up the spaces by introducing a new set of law, what we call code, that defines, just like physical law, what is possible, what is not, what is transparent, what is opaque, and so on, but essentially bring second layer ...

We have the ambient soundscape. We have the optics. We have the physical laws of people feeling their bodies sitting next to each other, and so on. Now, overlaid with a link graph, we can put on VR glass and see all the empty chairs. Suddenly, people appear in them.

These two together extends both the potentials of the initially limiting physical space, but it also redefines how those space interact with each other. Previously, we only have the laws of physics to work with.

This creates another relationship, what we call a link-based relationship. The link graph, the lines of links, and the place graph, the containing of spaces, those two together form what we call bigraph, which is at the same time a graph of spaces, but also a space of links.

If you’re watching the live stream from another place, you can also receive the signal that we are having here through live-streaming -- and through echo, apparently -- then goes to this third place, which is Slido now, but there could be any other gathering place online, which is then ...

The Internet, the part that is "inter-" is its core. It means that you can take any two places that are otherwise not containing each other by make links between them so that you can link through your phone from this place.

When we think about spaces, traditionally we think about it as one space, like one room that we are in, which is part of a larger place like the museum that we are in, which is part of a city perhaps, which is part of whatever. It’s a very topological ...

These are no longer objects like trophies are on display, but actually become things that people can take a photo on and share on social media or on any other places, and basically gets uploaded to the public Internet as part of the commons. I think that is a kind ...

Right. Technologies works in a interesting way. When we turn my scribbles of Paul’s statements to a projector here that allows people to comment on it using Slido there, it makes them what we call social objects.

That’s my take on this question. We basically use technology that enables people to still speak while we’re speaking. That’s the setting. Over to you, Paul.

When you like each other’s questions, the one with the most number of like actually flow to the top, and therefore, Shu Lea sees it first. The chances are better when Shu Lea sees it first. She will be like a medium. You channel your energy through her into our ...

If you see a question that you would also like us to talk about, just press like on your phone and so on. This is because it’s going to be more than two hour of us continuous talking. It will get kind of boring if you don’t have something to ...

Hello. We’re making the art more democratic by asking you to "like" each other’s questions.

We say blockchain now... It was PiraChain back then, but it’s the same idea.

We say blockchain now.

I did.

Thank you.

Sure. I’d love to look at that. Oh, they’re all recorded. That’s good that there are recordings. Thank you. This is great. I see some further learnings on impact measurement. Thank you so much.

It’s really good to make acquaintance to a group that wants to improve public service in general from the social sector. That’s social innovation and that is my mandate.

If what we’re doing is a redesign of the user experience as well as the whole service flow, then API-based redesign is needed, because we want to keep the original website running, but then we also want the people who use English, for example, to be able to access in ...

It does have a OpenAPI module, but it’s not at all used on 7. If you have a 7 website, you have to upgrade everything. That’s why we hear less from Drupal contractors when it comes to this API-based push on the T-road.

I think the API angle of the new Drupal, because most people here, when they learn Drupal, it’s not at all API-based. Just getting people’s heads around this new Drupal core.

Most of them now do ASP.NET, which has built-in OpenAPI 3 support, as well as the other technical stacks such as the...A lot of people actually switched to Vue and React, with server-side rendering. That, again, is easy to make it into OpenAPI-based. Personally, our website is backed by the ...

That will be very useful for the Taiwan government, because then all of them are required to describe their basic services in OpenAPI 3. Some lessons, or lectures, or even online resources for making that to happen will massively increase the uptake on Drupal technology.

If there is some synergies here in terms of how Drupal 8 can be described using OpenAPI standard, as well as how to make sure that a new Web service is developed as Drupal modules and so on can be offered as OpenAPI. I see some early attempts, but they ...

The T-road is all about using the OpenAPI standard for cross-agency exchange, because while you may use Drupal, that ministry may use something else, but using the REST API, people can still very easily talk to one another, instead of just RSS syndication, which is one small part of a ...

The 8 version of re-architecting to be API-first really makes it more acceptable as a government backbone here.

The Drupal track is actually alive and well. In the government, since we standardized on OpenAPI version 3, the API shift of Drupal 8 is particularly relevant. Previous to that in Drupal 7 and especially 6, there was no way to have a REST API-backed website that doesn’t require a ...

It does, and also the COSCUP, the largest open-source conferences here, has a Drupal track...

I think I gave talks in DrupalCamp.

They really want to make sure that the same terms in the regulatory text is translated exactly the same way. It’s like programing language. For a website, this is the least of our concern, because most websites won’t just post the whole of the regulatory text on their website. NAER, ...

If we want to improve the general quality, NAER will be the one that I think will have the most impact. This is mostly about regulation-specific terms. This is here, I think, because all the regulations and draft bills that has a impact on foreign residents here need to be ...

This is the one that’s seen as more canonical. Of course, WTO has its own language, and the various different ministries. The only general-purpose one here is the NAER one. All the others are domain-specific as maintained by the government.

I can make sure that a conversation with the right people in the NAER happens, because before serving as digital minister, I worked in the NAER in the K-12 Curriculum Committee.

If you would like to give it a view and maybe let the NAER and me know what kind of improvement that you would like to see to make it a better resource for bilingual people, as well as for people looking to translate their websites. That would be tremendously ...

I would suggest that you consult the terms in the NAER, because as far as I know, this is not just the public sector, but also the education, academia is using as a standard bilingual dictionary, a portal to all the dictionaries.

If there are new emerging technology -- information technology changes very quickly -- they also publish the deltas. Actually, this website can really use an English translation. [laughs]

Mostly, we have this thing called the NAER, terms that are in the NAER, for the canonical translation bilingually in the various different parts like Georgian architecture, or the floor space, and things like that. It’s pretty comprehensive.

It could just be another office hour gathering like this one, and I invite the right people from the government side to join the table.

Some kind of life event focus who would like this potential great Taipei or Taiwan to have, I think that would be a very good focus than to introduce the service designers and implementers of those life events to you.

That kind of design is needed, unless people would be very keen to adjust their mind between the five agencies’ design language. I don’t think many people enjoy that. If they go to a physical district office, at least they know five people by talking to the different counters, but ...

For example, currently we’re evaluating a live event around getting preschool and early primary school parents all they need in terms of, I don’t know, vaccination, reimbursement, the essential parenting help, or whatever. It’s easily five agencies. For the young parents, it’s a single life event, which is their children ...

Then maybe we can have a more in-depth meeting on one particular...It doesn’t have to be one particular website. It’s just one particular life event. That will be very useful.

That’s one part. The other part is that if there is a particular website that you would really like for its English version to be more friendly, maybe do a kind of internal survey or things like that, and maybe we can have another talk with people who are stakeholders, ...

Feel free to talk to me. We’ll make sure that the social and private sector prototypes, if it’s fruitful, is merged back into public sector. That’s what the national action plan is about.

Social innovation, that is to say the social and private sector delivering public service before the public sector does, that is my portfolio. As long as the Social Innovation Lab is around -- we have a five-year social innovation action plan anyway -- I’m already in charge of the kind ...

The idea is that we have the portfolio on emerging issues. My work, it’s open government, it’s social innovation, it’s youth engagement, that doesn’t strictly belong to any particular siloed box in a ministry.

As I said, about 22 colleagues, none of which is from a ministry of digital, are nevertheless dispatched from all the ministries. Together, they build the digital transformation. For example, the ministry of education delegate is here.

There’s that screen. I would like to clarify this title, Minister without portfolio. Usually, I translate it as horizontal minister. There’s 32 vertical ministries and 9 horizontal ministries. Without portfolio simply means that we’re not limited to the purview of any single ministry.

If you want to pitch this as a civic tech project, then I’m sure that there will be many people in g0v that are interested.