Aside from CAPTCHAs, if the platforms suspect that you’re a bot, they sometimes asks for a SMS number, which they can correlate and make sure that several accounts don’t share the same SMS number.

A black-hat cybersecurity hacker cannot say, “You can’t publish my IP address to the indicator system worldwide, that’s my privacy…”

…to work on this thing. For this kind of coordinated manipulation, there really is no right to say that privacy is being violated because it’s covert action that damages the underlying infrastructure.

If the hackathon is next February, maybe they would have sufficient time…

I would really like Facebook to do the same. They’re still evaluating it because, unlike Twitter, they don’t have a very clear “this is community violation and this is info op so we can publish.” Their legal team need to work on it.

Yeah, it’s open for analysis.

It is a pretty interesting development. Analyzing it would be fun.

Yes. Before deleting all of this, they archived all of it so that it’s beyond their term of use. It’s not term of use anymore. There’s no privacy to protect, so they just published everything, including metadata, IP address, everything, of those literally info-op operatives.

They banned huge numbers of fake Twitter accounts doing info op on Hong Kong from PRC in origin, from a block of IP addresses reserved by the PRC that doesn’t need to use VPN to access Twitter. That’s probably their offensive unit.

What about the data set? Usually, for a hackathon, whether it’s NASA or Fishackathon, there are data sets provided by the people who are sponsoring this. GEC, as far as I know, is now funding the first batch of projects…

It’s best if I don’t score myself, but I’m happy to serve as part of a jury, to facilitate discussion.

For the Presidential Hackathon, as you know, I’m the lead of the jury, but I don’t do the scoring. I just facilitate the conversations. If I do score, based on conflict of interest alone, I’ll have to walk away on one-third of the teams. [laughs]

AIT and the Fishackathon was the original challenge that made Waterbox in its infancy. It’s a great story of U.S.-Taiwan collaboration as well.

That’s right. I’m make sure to invite some of the teams to visit the U.S. too.

That’s right. We’ll just call it the Shor Model, something like that.

You did spend the three months in Taiwan. [laughs]

You’re kind of the prototype.

That’s right.

That’s right.

We could support lots of people for three months. If you’re willing to do that, you feel free to come earlier and mingle with the domestic teams and even enter as the same team.

We planned international track mostly because we understand, for people under us, it’s a luxury to spend three months in Taiwan. If given the chance, they would love to. We should do this like New Zealand does it. It means that we offer up to three months, but you have ...

I think the international track need to be on the same track as the domestic track.

We did promise a lot [laughter] during that hackathon. There’s some international exchanges happening. We’re working with a team to see if they can visit New Zealand again.

Pretty good, still following up on the Presidential Hackathon promises.

Thank you.

This is made of tencel, which is sustainable, but not exactly circular. [laughs] It’s an improvement.

Yes.

OK, thank you. Thanks so much.

Thank you. All right, that’s…

As a starting point.

We’ll need a more detailed agenda for them to make a decision.

It should be at no extra effort for the fishing agency, because it’s just the MOFA and NDC having resources to translate these into English and in a format that the civil society can appreciate. That part, we need help from you, [laughs] like what format would actually, what KPIs ...

Very much so. That’s right, that’s right. I think work, per se, will begin in January. You are cordially invited, if you are interested, in getting the process right. For the rest of the year, what we can do is securing the budget and securing the personnel for the next ...

We’re going to massively enhance the SDG 16 section of our VNR starting next year. For obvious reasons, we cannot promise what will happen in the next four years until next January, [laughs] because it has to coincide with the presidential term.

Not just on fishing, but rather, on all the 17 goals. Fishing, of course, is part of the 17 goals. As long as it’s part of the SDGs, it will be a really good contribution to our voluntary national review, our UN review, because that review currently is weak at ...

They agreed to work together to pick the things that make sense from a transparency and participation initiatives, and to collaboratively push what we call the National Action Plan for the Taiwan open government. That already has, I think, cross-partisan buy-in. It will happen no matter what. I think that ...

It’s not a double audit. It’s not saying that our fishing agency must now report in two forms. I’m sure that they are already reporting five forms. It’s about a concerted effort from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, which really should own this thing, and the National Development Council to ...

It’s not, how do we say, 重複管考?

We do this because we want to work with an international organization called Open Government Partnership, the OGP. The OGP has its own format of people from civil society working hand-in-hand with their government on extracting what have already done, and what are our promises in terms of transparency, participation, ...

Sure. Right after the election, there will be a coordinated effort to identify anywhere in Taiwan that, in the past few years, we’d done better than four years ago for transparency, participation, accountability. Inclusion is the one, and to do a concerted effort to translate everything into English.

Maybe you can help us to at least get the order of presentation right. Instead of presenting something really trivial, we just start by presenting something that has an oomph factor. [laughs] Then the following.

A good first step is just to maybe work on the messaging that we already put out from the fishing agency, including the cabinet meeting slides, but I’m sure they have more data as well. Then maybe, because to an international audience, what’s interesting, what’s not interesting is not for ...

There’s a recent presentation, just after we got the IUU watchlist removal, at the cabinet meeting. I was at that meeting, and I think the presentation is pretty good. It contains the elements that you just mentioned, which is very good, but it’s not in English. [laughs]

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That’s right.

For the illicit loan case, it would really require the presidential mandate.

That’s right. If you need political will, then next April, feel free to enter the Presidential Hackathon. Every year, we choose five teams to give them the trophy. Meaning that for the whatever they did in the past three months as a prototype, we commit ourself to take it into ...

We’re very willing to try to explore such an opportunity.

If we keep an electronic invoice, this is for the purpose of facilitating trade and taxation. Then, if somehow its aggregated statistics can also indicate fraudulent loans, we must show to the public that this does not run counter to the privacy expectations.