The Omidyar extended network, like Code for America, and things like that, do have a lot of different grants and different supporting for endeavors like this, but they don’t have a very close track of their extended network. It’s all in the media public website, so that’s one part of ...

Omidyar is very interesting, because they don’t directly or put friends in very smallish organizations, but they put their work into intermediaries, like my society in the UK and many others.

Right. Yeah. This is the Venn diagram. Yeah, I’ve read this before. In any case, the answer is several-fold. I do have a lot of friends in the civic tech world, so, if you frame yourself as a technology amplifier or enabler, but by far the largest networks aside from ...

Sure.

Yeah. "Government-led Collaboration Workshop for Public Policy Co-Creation."

No. This is the New York curriculum that we’re planning.

It goes into too much detail than we can go into, but that is the general format of a workshop structured with the primary audience being public servants, but also people from other sectors are welcome to join in. In fact, we think it works better if there’s a mixture ...

The upcoming New York one, we’re still working on this, but here is their working Google document that lists about six hours of the parts that is...

London.

Yeah. The Nesta think tank has done a very thorough review of the vTaiwan process circa 2016, early 2016, and so they’ve been spreading the word and the process in many different settings that I don’t even have a very accurate track of. So that’s already happening, is what I’m ...

Yes. Certainly. The Nesta people are already de facto doing this.

Sure.

Yes, and we will focus on the tools at the middle of the diamond. Co-called issue-based mapping is the code name for it. It will be very hands-on, and we will use concrete many mock subjects that the audience cares about to go through part of the process together.

That’s right.

Maybe we can fly to Europe. That’s another part of it. Or, you can come to Taiwan and capture the whole process and also interview some community members and rely on translations. We can make whatever way that we want. We’re open to collaboration in any of those three or ...

That’s the material that we will have. If you’re interested, again, we can collaborate many ways. I can hand you all the raw material and you can do editing. That’s one way. Or, you can book one of the possible teams of public servants interested in this kind of training ...

That’s more of one part. It will be a brief introduction of the two diamonds, and a practice that goes through perhaps these parts of the two diamonds, and perhaps a little bit here. It will not be the complete experience, which will require two days, from our experience.

By nature of our work, they will have full documentaries, but we are not yet editing them. To answer your question, we will have an English course curriculum at the end of May, around May 20-ish. We will keep perfecting it, whatever perfecting means, till November-ish.

We are also thinking to do something like that in Ottawa around the Forward 50, but it’s not finalized that, at the end of the year, around November, I think. That’s the two engagements that we’re thinking about.

We’re thinking to deploy such a workshop training. It would be just six hours. It will be an abridged version. First, we will do a trial run in Taipei with the public servants who are well-versed in English, just to move one variable at a time. Then hold a training ...

Most of the materials are in Mandarin, but after I become the digital minister, we started working on an English curriculum of the counterparts, because we do get, as you said, a lot of interest from public servants, many of them at a city level.

As a matter of fact, we had a curriculum of the process for public servants way back before I joined the cabinet. It’s a two-day forum with plenty of workshops and a process. We’ve trained at least a thousand or so public servants via hands-on training. That’s the original vTaiwan ...

Yes, we do.

Awesome.

It’s still sharing. We can see the shared link, but you’re still sharing.

Yes.

I will unshare.

No, no, no. This is the g0v Summit. The g0v, the shadow government version of the presidential hackathon. [laughs] It is not state-sponsored in any way, but you’ll find most of the g0v actors here.

That’s in English.

You can use interviews to fill in the gaps, so to speak, of whatever you’re trying to film. That’s the link to the summit that I just pasted here.

Then I think you have to balance it with many interviews. I think that’s not a big problem, because if you come to the g0v Summit, which is October 5 to 7, you would pretty much have all the different generations of Occupy and post-Occupy movement on the g0v site.

There’s also film at a final presentation of what’s being done at the end of the day in the larger hackathons. Those are live-streamed as well, but they’re mostly in Mandarin. There’s an English tour of larger hackathons, but those are not filmed, far as I know.

We’re just starting to live-stream our weekly meet-ups. There is no guarantee that it will continue. Normally, the pitch part of the hackathon of tech projects that people are bringing in, in the larger hackathons, those are live-streamed as well to ensure that people can participate online to at least ...

Right, and under Creative Commons, so you can use the footage however you want.

If you expect no specifics, you will always get something. I think [laughs] you not say, "I will be happy with that," but if you expect any specifics, then we are easier. We go through the historic archives.

The thing is that it’s never the same process for the same case. For example, we can’t promise that when you come to film in winter there will be a case that involves the use of Pol.is, because maybe for all the cases around that time, we decide Pol.is is ...

That’s right. The shorter one, I think that is the most balanced one of the short films, but the longer films tend to have an agenda based on...let’s put it that way, so we don’t have a production at the moment that takes care of both balances.

We have a lot of films. One particularly more fair or balanced report is the interactive design award, but it’s very short. It’s like five minutes.

Yeah. Huge numbers, but I don’t think it followed from the beginning to the end. It’s definitely not in the fast-motion. Usually, people are interested in one part of it. They extrapolate. Tom, in our first meeting, has commented that usually they then frame it in the narrative that they’re ...

Sure. Then, we’ve done that with many directors.

Yes, certainly. If it’s involving me, I’d say, actually in the film, all I ask is either the film itself to be released under Creative Commons or that one of our filming crew can film your filming and release that as Creative Commons. That’s my only condition. Everything else sounds ...

Right, exactly. We’re also working more with the speakspersons team as well as if there’s any ministry that is the host of one particular issue, then the media channel of that particular ministry is also leveraged.

As I said, sometimes these people, as well as people who offer opinions online, are invited to the second diamond, but that is not guaranteed. It’s maybe one-in-five or something.

The Pol.is is usually around here, but the invitation to the face-to-face meeting, that is everybody from the general public is welcome to participate online. The offline, due to space constraints and things like that, are usually limited to people who have made contributions along the way.

...are OK here, but as I said, the CNA, the Central News Agency, usually send out a press release with a link to the current topic so that the general public also has a chance to know that that’s what it is. The CNA is syndicated by the major newspapers. ...

Usually it happens during the convergence of the first diamond that the brainstorm, by definition, is open to the general public. We make sure the stakeholder here are OK...

I’m sorry.

It was never the wrong question. That’s what questions are for. Just say that. It points to the space.

Which makes it more fun. It’s no fun to do tedious work. We have more extended AI intelligence or whatever doing the more complex models, then why not? We’re still open to other motives.

Exactly. It’s less energy for everybody involved.