If everybody do that, then we already have a vaccine. It’s a physical vaccine, and the world can go into a post-Coronavirus state much sooner than biological vaccines. That’s my main message for now. I may have a different message when the biological vaccine becomes generally available.

Wearing a mask and not washing your hands is actually not very useful at all. A mask is only useful if you wash your hands. This applies regardless of the material of the mask. It could be medical mask, or from a T-shirt, or N95, or whatever. Just every time ...

I think nowadays as we are looking for the physical vaccine, that is to say the mask, finally being accepted as the common thing that everybody needs to do, my main message is still the message of this dog, which is very important. That is to say, wear a mask ...

Email is maybe just five percent of all my incoming, but for those five percent, I don’t have to spend that much time to do due diligence checks. Thank you for providing that value.

It saves me a little bit of time every time everybody send a email, because I don’t have to spend as much time to check their credentials and their bona fide. On the other hand, of course, I also receive many invitations from many other channels as well.

Then the other thing is that it also enables me to receive emails from other people. After each conference and so on, I will usually receive many email from people. It enable me to very quickly check their credentials and check whether they are the person they claim to be, ...

Even though it’s not as fun as other more fun-oriented social media platforms, I think the knowledge sharing and the learning part, of course, is there, and it’s as helpful to me as other learning-based social platforms such as Medium.

It’s useful in two different ways. One is that, as I mentioned, I get to share what I learned on the LinkedIn community, and also find people who are interested in similar things and so on. I think that is as good as pretty much any other social media platform, ...

Of course.

Yes.

Or you can, for example, find new ways to reduce carbon emissions by refilling your water bottle instead of buying plastic bottle and so on. You can encounter many, many ideas that you can then take back to your workplace to use without feeling that you have to be alone ...

For example, if you are the only one in your community or in your department in your business to care about climate change, then you can feel very lonely, but if you join such online communities of SDGs, of mitigating against climate change, even if you work in a seemingly ...

Of course, it doesn’t have to be LinkedIn. I know many people who use Medium, for example, for this purpose, or Twitter for this purpose, although Twitter is harder to write longer messages. In the end, it’s all about developing a camaraderie, so that people don’t feel alone in facing ...

I think one of the great way is to just join communities. On LinkedIn, for example, there are many communities based on shared interests, and then you can discover more people, not necessarily your colleagues, or your vendors, or your customers. Maybe they are unrelated to you by business but ...

Maybe you have less work than I have.

Yeah, it’s always like that, yes, because otherwise, I will have to work during the day, and I cannot have that much fun anymore. Eight-hour workday, to me, is eight-hour work-night, but it’s the same principle.

Eight hours is the basic. If I don’t sleep for eight hours, I make sure that I nap during the day so it adds up to eight hours.

Of course.

I usually sleep eight hours a day, but if there is a very difficult problem, I have to work overtime and sleep nine hours that day. Because I work only in my sleep, when I’m waking up, I’m always having fun.

I don’t work during the day. I’m just having fun during the day. I don’t pass judgments or make decisions during the day. I always take these ideas and then go to sleep. I work in my sleep, and I wake up with a common value or a decision.

Yes.

It’s not only individual and communal, but it’s also now global idea of using fun to make sure that everybody understand the science of epidemiology, for example.

This fun actually travels even faster than conspiracy theories and other anger- and outrage-based messages on social media. Fun is what travels the quickest in terms of viral marketing. Our central epidemic command center always bets on fun to get their message across.

Fun, both personal and social, and also now global, because we now understand, in the social media, if you provide a fun picture, for example, on how to wear a mask to protect you from your own unwashed hands, this is very cute and a lot of fun. This is ...

Larry Wall, one of my mentors, said that laziness is the main virtue of a programmer. We’re lazy, so we write programs to save ourselves time. If we share this program, then we save everybody time. That’s more fun because we get more time to spend doing other things more ...

Yeah. Fun is about the enjoyment, taking pleasure in knowing that what you work on is beneficial not only to yourself, but also to people who are looking at similar problems. Another thing is that if you can save other people time.

In the outline you sent me, you already gave me the answer. You draw a colon and a parenthesis, which is a smiley. That’s my career choice. I’m optimizing for fun. The more fun there is, the more likely that I will work on it.

Less than half. [laughs]

We believe that the more inclusive a democracy is, the less likely that we will be polarized and get into very incommensurable culture wars. The more inclusive we are, the better the democracy become.

On the west side of Taiwan, of course, there’s also the Taiwanese Holo, Taiwanese Hakka, and Taiwanese sign language, very important for people who cannot hear. All these are national languages.

Because of that, nowadays in these indigenous nations, if there is, for example, more than half of people in that township speaks Amis, Bunun, or Atayal, or something like that, the public service need to be provided in that local language as well to show not only respect but also ...

Because of that, on the east side of Taiwan, there’s many, many cultures that are orally transmitted, meaning that there’s no written history. People care are preserving the history. Now they’re more putting them into Latin alphabets and so on. Because they were Austronesian family of languages, it’s difficult, if ...

In Taiwan, we now have more than 20 national languages, most of which are indigenous. Taiwan is part of the Austronesian linguistic family. In fact, most of the Austronesian cultures can trace their lineage back to Taiwan. That’s all the way throughout Polynesia, all the way to New Zealand, to ...

It’s my fourth language. [laughs]

It’s important to think beyond the binary differences and focus on the common value, which is the importance of marriage.

They managed to find this innovative solution that take care of the older generation that see marriage as more a family-to-family thing, which is not touched by same-sex marriage than the younger generation, which sees wedding more as individual-to-individual thing. They create a hyperlink act that take care of both ...

When the referenda came, for example, on the marriage of gay and lesbian people, it makes sure that we legalize all the same rights and duties, the bylaws, but also the family-to-family wedding, that is to say the in-laws relationship, does not change.

When they have to vote, the civil society always wins the vote. Because of this, all the levels of the government eventually learned the importance of gender mainstreaming in their lines of work.

We took 12 years of gender mainstreaming, making sure that in each and every government project that are one year or longer or any draft law proposed by the government, they have to do a gender impact assessment with a gender equality committee that is guaranteed to be inclusive and ...

In Taiwan, we have more than 40 percent of our members of Parliament as women. We didn’t get to this point overnight.

As far as what society expect me to be, whatever other people portray me, that’s their creation. That’s their remix. I see it as their creative output, but I don’t identify with other people’s label of me. That’s it. It’s a very simple idea in open source development that if ...

In my mind, there is a intersectionality going on whenever people feel that they can see the world through some perspective, I’m willing to learn from that perspective. I think being transgender also help me to be trans-national, trans-cultural, and so on. That is a very good, positive effect.

For example, I don’t belong to any political party so I don’t think that people of certain political party are my comrades and the other ones are my enemies. I don’t think that way either. The same is for nationality, for pretty much anything.

Having gone through puberty, I don’t have this mindset. For me, everybody share some experience with me. I don’t think half of population is different from me. It enable me to take all the sides much more readily, and it’s not just about gender.

I went through two puberties. This enable me to go through those puberties in a way that empathizes with more people. If you only go through one puberty, you will think half of the population shares some experience with you, but the other half of population doesn’t share the experience ...

That’s more of a design-thinking mindset. I think reshaping the field as a design field, as something that’s closer to humans, can actually increase the diversity and also inclusion of participants.

By calling programmers “designers” instead of “engineers,” it also works with this AI age, because, in AI, it’s not about writing code to produce data, it’s about curating data to produce code. [laughs] That makes the data collection, that is to say interfacing with people, more important than interfacing with ...

Designers are gender-balanced. Actually, if you’re an LGBTIQ+ person, as a designer, you’re seeing things from an even more empathetic perspective, so it’s a plus for a designer but not necessarily so for an engineer.

I think one of the reasons is that we don’t call software engineering, “engineering.” In Taiwan it’s called “program design,” and so the programmers are designers, they’re not engineers.

In Taiwan, software engineering is very gender-balanced, and it has been that way since I was a teenager. We don’t suffer from that problem. We can say that is also because we have other engineering fields and there are gender imbalances in those engineering fields, but not in software engineering.