That’s a overly broad question. Could you be more specific...?

Also diversity inclusion plans, which means that people of all kinds of cognitive modes into what has been roughly the equal way, not just people who specialize in code, in text or in law, for that matter. That’s pretty much my mandate.

Then my responsibility, broadly speaking, is implementing the open government plan, which entails radical transparency, civic participation and building accountability trail of as many policy-making as possible.

Every Wednesday we have a hackathon in the afternoon with the civil society and private sector people. Every Friday we have a hackathon with the participation officers in all the ministries. That’s the community-building ideation and everything. That’s Wednesday and Friday. Yeah, Saturday and Sunday are not workdays, so I ...

Wednesday and Friday are my teleworking days, so I don’t go to the administration building unless there’s emergency meetings. I try to keep them to the minimum. I still wake up kind of early, but I do a lot of analysis, coding, just hackathon stuff.

If it’s a Monday, a Tuesday, or a Thursday I would wake up at 8:00, then go to the administration building at around 8:30, and then start meeting after meetings. Then go back to my dormitory around 5:00 to 6:00 PM. Then, actually starting to do real work, which can ...

I dropped out at junior high school.

I dropped out of junior high when I was 14. If you don’t count kindergarten, then it’s about seven years. But then I went to grad school classes right after dropping out, so I don’t know how to count that. There’s no diploma, so I guess it’s seven years.

That’s a trick question.

It was personal. I was 11. My dad was pursuing his PhD there, so I went there for a year.

Right. [laughs] But otherwise, no permanent stay for more than six months at a time.

Oh, cool.

Germany, near Saarbrücken in Saarland.

Yes.

Sorry. Mandarin. I first learned Taiwanese Hoklo but I’m now more fluent in Mandarin.

Perl.

Speak: Mandarin, Taiwanese Hoklo, English, a little bit of German. That’s pretty much it.

I think I’m, well, ethnic Han.

I’ll refrain to answer.

This is a very tricky political question.

Taipei City.

Mm-hmm.

You too, have a good localtime. Bye.

Sure.

I’ve sent you two. You can check it in your mailbox, and then if it doesn’t work for you, we can try to get you something more.

That would work best. You don’t have to credit anybody. [laughs]

Of course, I have a lot of pictures in the commons, like Creative Common Zero, where you don’t have to ask for a license.

You mean you need pictures free for you to use?

That’s great. That’s it, then?

Yeah. There is a program. It’s called Trint. It’s very useful. But with the current sound quality, I will probably have to ask human beings [laughs] work on it. We’re still maybe three years before machines consistently hear better than humans in noisy environments.

I should get it done in a couple of days or so and I’ll send it to you.

I’ll try to get you a written transcript, although to be honest, with the sound at your end, I’m not sure if I got all your words correctly, but all my words will probably be accurately transcribed.

No, I think it’s great.

It doesn’t censor your messages. Your message is still there. But it invites you to consider a independently reviewed alternate point of view.

That’s actually one of the projects -- the LINE bot project -- also in the g0v site. You can look at it at your leisure. It’s the messaging app that has a robot where if you let a robot join your dialogue, and then paste a rumor, it will respond ...

We’re not censoring them, but there are tools that automatically prompt a alternative view to you as you’re reading the news so you can consider both sides.

Of course. Otherwise it’s not a freedom of speech anymore.

Of course. But it must also be easy to set up. If Signal or Telegram built a decentralized server, it would be the best combination of course. But we’re still some maybe a couple of years till we have a robust technology like that.

Yeah, it’s not. It’s a public dissemination tool. It’s just like handing out pamphlets. You can of course build encryption on top of it, but most people didn’t bother.

Yeah, FireChat.

I wouldn’t do it justice by talking about it. I’m sending you the g0v News link. You can see all the recent highlights by following g0v News. We try to cover all the new projects on this news. It’s all Creative Commons licensed, anyway, so you can read all of ...

Sure. There is many classic ones which you can read all about in g0v.asia, which is our gallery. This is g0v.asia. If I must say one or two highlights, I would say the most recent one, which puts a civil society NGO against one of the largest petrochemical plants, is ...

It’s a very diverse background. People generally embrace the open-source, open closure ideas, but working on things that maximize social impact. It was already like that during the Sunflower Movement, which is why we have these very diverse talents to work with, that’s the ad hoc media team for the ...

G0v is pretty different in that coders, people who write programs are now a strict minority in our hackathons, maybe 25 percent or even less. We now have a lot of designers, a lot of legal people, a lot of activists, journalists. We have a lot of people, even in ...

Yeah, I’m aware of what you’re talking about. We actually get people who participate in a hackathon for refugees visit Taiwan -- I think they were from Germany -- to share their experience.

That’s right. The hackathon is the face-to-face gathering, but of course, g0v also has a lot of alignment in spaces. Yeah, as you just said, a movement with many different projects at the same time -- hundreds of projects.

Sure. We run a hackathon every week. The next one, it’s always Wednesday, so it’s tomorrow.

They do have a lot of friends in that cycle.

I think they participated in a lot of student movements also during their student days. I don’t remember that, because I didn’t exist.

We do get a lot of discussions.