Thank you, Audrey.

Yes. Thank you so much, Audrey, for the sharings. I’m really happy we met. If there are coming any interesting events that could be valuable for us as well, then I’m really happy if you would let us know. Let’s keep in touch via emails.

I understand. Our time is up now. You scheduled 40 minutes for us. It’s exactly 1:40 in Estonia right now.

I’m not sure actually. We are in this government’s community, where mostly our CEO is participating in the working groups, and the assembles, and things like that. I really should look it up. We are collaborating with government as well. The government’s petition system is built on Citizen OS and ...

I really love that you said that if there is a real case, then you are interested. It’s very honest, and I really appreciate that you said that. This is really something that should be also the case of this community. Real things have to happen in there.

This is really something that I’m thinking of. I don’t want to waste people’s time, and I don’t want to build a community which nobody uses.

Participating in community mostly means that people do it either from the passion, that they really love the topic, or they are really experts and they get something professionally from this community.

That’s a wonderful example. This is actually my case and our case as well that there are already great communities today as well. Actually, I wouldn’t say that there are great communities, and there are not so good communities. Even though people are getting more and more time on their ...

That’s fair enough. [laughs] Yes, I got my answer.

Yes. [laughs] I totally hear you.

Social innovation is definitely more wider and better word for that. Thank you. If you think about your current work and what you currently do, then do you personally think that if there would be the kind of community, would you like to be part of it? Would you like ...

Which is organizing work clean-up days now, and actually in Taiwan, we have really active team there as well. [laughs]

Actually, Citizen OS also grew up from Let’s do It Foundation. Maybe you have heard of it.

That’s really interesting and valuable thought that you shared. Thank you so much, and I definitely will go deeper into the social innovation term. Yeah, I really believe that it might be better for the community as well.

Do you have any need where you see that you could work together globally with other civic tech organizations and other people on a global level?

Audrey, could you also share…You have so many experiences with different organizations, and you work for the government and in IT field as well. If you heard what I was just talking about, like e-democracy and democracy, do you have any idea or a thought regarding it?

Yes, but currently, we are on a phase where we have this idea and dream. [laughs] We are maybe a little bit searching people and organizations who feel the same way as we do, and who are inspired of this idea. How it all goes in the future, I cannot ...

Just to jointly develop better technologies for people who are actually using technology for involving more people, are those the governments who involve people in the decision-making, or are those civic initiatives who want to involve people? Are those NGOs? This is a small aid for civic tech organizations.

OGP is really working with governments. They also have a chapter for e-democracy. I’m not sure if they have separate department, but there are people who are working towards it as well, and I’m currently in contact with them.

Yes. What I was saying that this community that we are aiming to build is more focused on e-democracy, for how the technology and the technology organizations can foster participation and participatory democracy. This is very well focused, I would say.

I am currently in contact with the OGP, and we are just starting discussions over collaborations or how we can work together with them, and how we can support each other. I actually invited them to become the founding members of this community as well because…

Thank you for sharing the Code for All and also the OGP, because we are not in Code for All. We are not members of them, but definitely, I will go it through. Thank you. [laughs]

Yes, but both actually, both local and global, but yes, that is correct.

We don’t need to put so much time there anymore. Maybe those decisions would be sent, like you send PDF files or you send Excel sheets, for example, the kind of projects that could only be built globally, if you understand what I mean.

There is a lot of effort that is going on those discussions. Maybe it’s to build a standard for the decision that when it’s already discussed, for example, in Spain, and now Estonian government, or civic activists, or NGOs, or somebody start the issue, then we can already take those ...

The other need for this community is basically to start mutual projects. One very simple example is that maybe it’s possible to create a standard for decision. When we have some topics, they’re being discussed all around the world, like in Estonia, in Singapore, in Taiwan, in Russia, in whatever ...

If not, then what happens when people go to the street and start raising their voice, and so on. Basically, what’s behind of different political decisions and civic activisms, and how technology can support building better communication between the governments and citizens.

This is where the scientists and researchers have really important role, because we would like everything to be scientifically proved. If some political decisions are made, how it affects the way it’s being communicated to the people, if people and citizens have been involved.

Basically, there are two needs for this community. First is having this wider discussion over the big picture, where are the democracies heading in the world, and especially where e-democracy is heading in the world.

My main question for you maybe is that, first of all, what are your ideas and thoughts about this global community? Let me just explain a little bit of a background how we thought to build it up.

I reviewed them all, yes, and what I was saying is that I’ve been contacting with the more than 20 civic tech organizations who work with the same mission as we do, and I’ve been inviting them to join the community. Today, we already have around 10 organizations are really ...

…sometimes it covers exact. Usually, in Estonia, we have really good WiFi. I don’t know what’s happening today.

Thank you for the overview. You also sent me the links, and then I actually reviewed them all. HackMD is, basically what we do…

Do you have an overview about how many countries are using it?

Thank you. I’m really amazed and inspired on what you are doing in Taiwan. Definitely, it would be really awesome to collaborate with you and hear your ideas, and feedback, and experiences about what you have done. Do I understand correctly, that g0v is mainly focused on Taiwan?

Sorry? Oh, gov-zero.

I googled you. I actually googled you. I found you from the Google. [laughs] The things that you have done, it’s really super amazing and really inspiring. Starting from the Sunflower Movement, and g0v. How you pronounciate it? It is correct?

We just have the need to bring all those parties together, and also civic initiatives, representatives who actually use our platform and who actually implement the things that we are doing. We don’t want to do it alone, and that’s why we are looking for, globally, partners and people who ...

I’m from Citizen OS, which is e-democracy platform. Maybe you have heard about us. We have this really huge need, but also, we are currently working together with scientists and researchers, and collaborating with the universities as well.