Audrey is good, better than me.

I don’t know that one. I know the original one. I don’t know that line that you flip again. I can’t think how it works, but I know that if you say, "Nobody knows where they say yes, because..."

Or if somebody observes what came out Olfa.

Numbers.

Very hard.

The algorithms take much more discussion of understanding what of it is truly the algorithm design. What is the data we use to train the machine learning model? What really are the parameters, and how can we understand the arguments? This is very hard.

You’ll find a training set where wow, it’s amazing that most people have drugs, who have found positions...illegal drugs are African-American. That’s because you have societal biases for these people.

I did my PhD in neural networks at Stanford in ’91, which was a lot time ago. For me, this is a world I really, genuinely have lived in for the last 25 years. Knowing what the trading data is, if you only, as an example, you’re much more likely ...

In the book, I am discussing, for instance, of course, Amazon recommendations. This is more than a two-minute remark, because the algorithm, you can distinguish between the parameters of the algorithm and the algorithm algorithm, if you will.

I took a shot glass, and then spit into it, and asked what’s the value of the data? What’s the value of this? This is a very tricky question. The data question, I think I have really thought through. The algorithm question, because an algorithm without data means nothing.

Yes, but he is OK. There are other people who actually are less PR people, who think more deeply about algorithms. At TED this year in Vancouver, I had the honor of giving a short speech. What I did was, at TED you have to been thinking about the audience.

Sorry, from?

It was my charm which tried to move on the action. She said, "Oh, what an asshole. What a bitch." [laughs] Let’s go back to the question of data.

He was on one side. On the other side, I had the founder of the Green Party, who was put in prison, like, seven times by the minister of interior for launching it.

Same would be in Germany. I think if a ministry, let’s say the health minister or...The interior minister is different. I was on a German TV show with the then-minister of interior of Bavaria, which is a very right-wing country, who then became the minister of interior of the country ...

How can you make sure that they don’t do that?

Like Germany, there is no link between your health care?

Where is the link? The link is the ID, the primary key?

I believe it.

The interior one is where they send people, or where the judge will go to sign? [laughs]

I’m very passionate about the balance of power between individuals, government, and companies. How can I help?

What do you think a person who is very passionate about data, about people and data, not about chip data, what Olfa studies, but just about the data we create. I’m very passionate about people. I’m very passionate about what we can learn about the interaction between people.

What’s that?

It’s just so sad for me to see that one of the democracies, with all the struggles of being a democracy, that it doesn’t have a seat in the United Nations -- which has nothing to do with Taiwan -- for purely geopolitical reasons. It’s a sad story.

Back to Taiwan, the book will find a way to find somebody who is interested in translating and publishing it. They always say this. I said yesterday, I was inviting to give a talk to the UN maybe five years ago, to the general assembly on data is the new ...

What I have a problem with is that on other things, they just simply didn’t think about things mean, and they just said something. Google Translate would have been just as good in some parts, my friends tell me.

Zero. That’s just the way...

I have no problem with that.

I think it’s not for political reasons. The publisher there are some parts which I was very aware of, that they are not going to translate those. That’s not...

I’m talking about I’m sad that it’s such a bad translation, that people don’t really understand what it’s about. I have received some remarks. I’m clear that there is censoring on. That’s not what I’m worried about. I’m worried about them just not caring, as opposed to caring.

"I loved this book. What you see is the love I put into translating it." Then I said, "I saw that, and I can’t really say thank you." It’s in many languages by now, but the Chinese one is bad. They sold 10,000 copies in the first, so I’m not ...

Many people, smart friends of mine, told me, "Andreas, this is not good translation." The German one is extremely good. I was in tears when I first saw the translation. I met with a translator, and I told him, "How can I thank you?" He said, "You cannot."

Yeah, but not just mechanically, but to have a person who actually thinks take the...I have the Chinese Word file, and then the main Chinese file. Then to actually fix it, so it’s a good, traditional translation for Taiwan and Hong Kong, as opposed to the mainland one.

No, actually, it came out in China, as a matter of fact, before it came out in the US. It’s an awful translation, I know it. I told the publisher in China, we need retranslation I would also like to have a traditional Chinese translation. I don’t know how to ...

It’s a bit tricky for the people. I don’t know Chinese, but I realized that really beautiful discussion.

The discussions we had with a couple of Taiwanese and a couple of mainland friends, they were so revealing. Mainland, the Taiwanese people, "Oh, no, that sounds like propaganda."

Olfa and I talked a lot about the Chinese title. I forgot what they finally picked in mainland.

Thank you for coming back to the topic. I do like the for the people, in contrast to against the people. For me, that title, when I came up with title, I knew that’s the title. The German book has the same title. It’s just, there is no way of ...

It’s, "I am sorry my camera fell off, and my intercom wasn’t working," and, "We are sorry for you, too, but maybe it’s time to look for another job. If you can’t keep your intercom on, I don’t think it’s the right job for you." [laughs]

The body cam falling off and the intercom not working, against one statement of you, the judge said, "We believe the other party."

What can you do? I’m not sure whether you know about that US case which I discussed in the book, where some court told a police officer whose body cam fell off, and his intercom wasn’t working, they said, "Sorry, but despite being under oath, we don’t believe what you ...

We can’t worry about our body cam when we are really in action. If it falls off, what can we do about this?

These are interesting problems that an officer, you know, Andreas, he told me, sometimes when we are in action, we might be running so fast that the thing gets disconnected. Then what can you do? We need to protect our country.

He works for the Singapore police. When he was a kid, he was flipping noodles, finding out what’s happening in the red light district. I was in charge of the data, the big data project of Singapore police.

I don’t know about people’s religious beliefs. His father became very Christian to rebel against his grandfather. He doesn’t even call his grandfather his grandfather. He’s just, "Oh, my father’s father," to be clear that that is not values we subscribe to.

Or my friend who runs for the Singapore police big data, Dan Ong, another Stanford student whose grandfather -- he usually don’t tell you that -- his grandfather used to own the red light district...Then now, I hope I am not...

It’s a great neutral term, once you get the term. Unterwachung, that you take pictures of the people. That will be stories about the German police showing up at my brother’s place, because I took pictures of what they thought was inappropriate. I didn’t think so.

We got together at the Stanford pool, because he likes to go to the pool. [laughs] That is brilliant. I translated the word into German. There’s Überwachung and Unterwachung. I’m very proud of that term.

Yeah, Mr. Mann. He’s absolutely awesome. Steve Mann, it’s one of the good things, if you write a book, that random people who we are talking about in the book who I didn’t meet say, "Hi, I’m Steve Mann. When do you have time to get together?"

Sousveillance, by the way, have you met the guy who invented sousveillance?