Good. Thank you.

Otherwise, we have the other option, always.

I will follow up with you directly, and will keep you informed. Ideally, if you could come perhaps the Friday May 8th, but we could arrange around both days, but May 8th would be where we’d have a bit more time to develop the topic and have the debate, then ...

Yes, thank you so much.

Then you probably don’t even need that, unless you’d like to have the copy.

You got it, OK.

We sent, I’m not sure if the official letter arrived, but just this copy, this here just got copied in accidentally, but I just printed it once more in case you’d like it.

All right, well I will leave the booklet for next year. We have a team of young journalists that we invite which are in training, and they get to cover the symposium and the topics that they would like to cover. This just last year’s book and magazine, for you ...

Exactly. We’re four languages, well three official, fourth which is just a dialect leftover from the Roman soldiers that stayed in the Swiss mountains. It’s the closest living language to Latin, but actually three main languages and quite different mentalities even though we’re such a small country. We always make ...

Often there’s the argument that kind of small countries can be very successful because it’s very easy, small also population wise, but Taiwan, even though you’re 23 million, you’re still really managing to bring the transparency.

That’s incredible.

Thank you. It was very, very exciting to be here, I was having my first time in Taiwan, had a wonderful experience. I arrived yesterday, and while Switzerland was sleeping in the morning, I got to explore a little bit, and I like it a lot. It’s also quite, 23 ...

That’s very good. Is there anything you need, that you’d like to ask me, or anything I can help with now?

That’s right. That’s good that you make the vision, because I was thinking when I was preparing to meet you, I was thinking and comparing how could Switzerland learn from this, and where could we integrate some parts of it.

Yes.

That’s right, and then you can really do the need-driven part, because people live their day-to-day lives and experience where there needs to be something adjusted.

That’s it.

Too slow.

That’s it.

It’s just agenda setting, yes.

That’s good. How hard is it for traditional democracies where Switzerland where we have high involvement of civil society, and we have high and transparency and efficient government, how hard is it to get to integrate the technological part into it? We’re, for instance, trying to introduce e-voting now, but ...

That’s good, that’s good.

The question is also are there any questions from your side, and just to show you, this is our key visual, because it’s on the hand, this is more the negative side, but it’s exactly the addiction and the surveillance elements if it’s not…

It would be hard to have a debate, yes, that’s right. [laughs] OK, good to know. Some of the other people who you might know who we’re going to invite are, for instance, Michael Sandel, he’s much more coming from the more philosophical different area, but there’s going to be ...

He was with us twice as a Leader of Tomorrow, now we’d invite him again as a more senior person, he’s definitely someone where we could see if there would be a good alignment between you two.

He will be someone who very much argues about the dark side of…

It would be very, very exciting to welcome you there. I was reading about some of your work, have you heard of Evgeny Morozov?

Oh, so would be your first time.

I think as you said, we will be inviting people also from the Red Cross, because based in Geneva, but I think you bring in this really interesting tech perspective and the kind of democracy, so we would definitely try and focus on that element, and we would outline it ...

Yes, that’s right.

Then also at the same time we’re seeing violation of human rights in certain countries, and we’re still trading with them, we’re still interacting with them, but how can you get them involved more in actually putting that on their…

A very important differentiation. We’re asking ourselves also in the context of basic human rights, for instance, how much can you take in a universalist stance which I think we should to say that there are no matter which country or which place it is, one needs to respect those ...

As in Isaiah Berlin.

You kind of really bring those angles together. What from your perspective and the work you’re doing, where do you see some of the most important areas or questions we should be asking in the context of Freedom Revisited? Because we have a chance here to address a lot of ...

That’s the thing, that’s the trickiest part getting someone there who will really defend that view against someone who has very legitimate understanding from the other side. As you said, it is an amplifier which you used for the good, but also for very worrying developments. For me, the question ...

If you do take the far trip, we would try and help you make it as interesting and as valuable, with as many people who could be of interest for you.

We also will have government representatives there and officials, and I was wondering if the dates work for you, I would be very happy to see, because I know Switzerland is trying to continue how we can say it, the progress, continued progress on a political level, and I was ...

The date will be, I will communicate, in May. The other thing we also have smaller more interactive session which would take place in the afternoon, which would offer a bit more exchange, and where also the young people are really asking you the questions. That would be an additional ...

Of either. I guess a question we have to kind of refine it a bit so we can have a clear yes or no, because you’re right, it can go in either direction.

We have invited, for instance, Nick Clegg, or also Keith Enright from Google, we’re waiting to hear. You’re right, it will be difficult probably to find someone who debates it. The question for you would be, if I asked you a question is technological progress the key to our freedom, ...

Yes, David Marcus, we’ve invited him, he has said no.

We’re waiting to hear.

Yes, we’ve have invited people from Facebook and from Google.

Yes. We’re open for both, I can also send you description of…

Yes, and I will coordinate with you easiest, and then the other thing we could also, so one format is that, and the other idea would be BBC has Stephen Sackur who does a HARDtalk but with us he does one on one. That would be more of a setting ...

We seem to be interacting in the thoughts.

Oh, yes, exactly.

We would love to invite you, and the question would also be we will have an Oxford-style debate with people who argue, “Yes, it is the key to our freedom,” and people are like, “No.” Like Evgeny Morozov.

Yes, exactly. It’s a very kind of interesting and controversial question. One thing we want to discuss is this whole can technological progress be the key to freedom, and if yes, how? I think you were very interesting, and the work…

Yes, that’s right. I think one of the questions we want to shed some light on, and analyze in the context of Freedom Revisited, for instance is this whole question of how are freedom and technological progress linked? If you read Shoshana Zuboff’s book, you get quite worried that it ...