Thank you. Thank you both. Bye bye.

Reset’s… [laughs] I like that.

[laughs] I confess I understood about 30 percent of that.

I think that would be something that we’d greatly benefit from, which is how do you actually do that kind of audit and inspection?

What does that actually look like? How do you actually do it? What are the questions you ask? What do you look for? I don’t think anyone has a great sense of that yet.

That’s a great reminder. Assume that the state is behind it. You mentioned audit, and actually, that’s something that I think would, we’d greatly benefit from your expertise, which is, one of the policy objectives that we’re advancing, trying to emphasize, to regulate as rulemakers, is that they have to ...

That led to a whole workstream and proper documentation, and we unearthed quite a bit. I want to find those people, but I don’t know what I don’t know. In some ways, I don’t know who to approach. That’s my second question, which is what are some…Where and who are ...

The reason I’m excited by that idea is because, in the past, a couple of years ago, we launched a whole hate speech project off the back of just one stray comment from a community member who just said, “You know, it’s really weird. As the government does this citizenship ...

The second is I am thinking about an open call, not for technology, but in some ways to invite communities that are impacted by the harms of surveillance capitalism, to apply and to be able to document and build the evidence base of the harms in their particular context.

I’m throwing a very open question to you about what are some of trends in Asia that we really should be paying attention to in the context of surveillance capitalism? That’s one. It’s a big, broad question. I’m aware of that.

The thing we were discussing is we have a good sense of what’s going on in Europe, North America, Australia. Obviously, technology is being used very differently in different parts of the world and impacting people very differently in different parts of the world.

Great. It sounds like you do know Pia, right, in Argentina? Excellent. She’s on our advisory council, and we were having a conversation with her and another member of our council, also from Latin America.

I actually had a question. Dan, if you’re done with open call, I can jump in with my question, if that sounds good?

I think our case becomes much stronger if we can show alternative technologies that can do that. I think that’s where the technology piece is actually vital in shifting consumer demands.

Dan, before you jump in, maybe I can take that from another angle, which is that ultimately, I think that we will want to campaign on these issues as well. We want to shift public opinion on the big question of surveillance capitalism.

I’m not a technologist, so I think that, like Dan, I feel like you might be better placed to answer that question. I just wanted to lay out my motivations and Reset’s priorities, which is to work in countries where there’s legislative activity.

Even when there are good people there — and there are many good people there — this thing is just too big for them to rein in and to bring under control. I am very passionate about the three pillars of what I think hopefully will be Reset’s work, which ...

It’s been painful to watch. That’s one of the motivations of this work for me. I am a point where I did spend the two years that I did that disinformation work talking to the big platforms directly. It just became really clear to me that, in some ways, that’s ...

I’m originally from India, and I have seen in the last two elections how the rapid explosion of disinformation and hate speech has seriously impacted a society where we once knew how to live with each other, tolerate each other, love each other, even, I would venture to say.

It was a natural progression for us to then work on disinformation. We started to see how alarmingly it was starting to impact elections around the world. That’s what brought me to the work.

The reason we did that was because Avaaz, it’s a generalist group, so it campaigns on a range of issues. We had started to see pretty systematically that every single issue we worked on — whether it was climate change, environmental rights, human rights — every single issue was impacted ...

I’ve been at Reset for a month and a half. I came from a global campaign group called Avaaz. In my last two years at Avaaz, we’d started working pretty heavily on the issue of disinformation.

Yeah, happy to. Really nice to meet you, Audrey. I did not know that Dan was already in touch with you. I happened to read about your work. I was like, “Well, we should definitely get in touch Audrey.” He was like, “I’ve got that covered.” Really nice to meet ...