Take care. Bye.

Do you want to meet me, Michael, to meet in that space at some point? I know you’re busy right now but we could do it like…

If we were, for some reason, to find backdrops or images to illustrate it, then I would have no problem searching the Internet with AI images, but the writing should be pure.

Some parameters to get somewhere at that’s…

Just searching for a way where we could access something like this online and already use just the XRSpace as the place where we are with our avatars. That’s the visual thing that’s pre-recorded for. If it’s a project yet, I don’t know but it’s a conversation that happens. It ...

Is it going to give us something? I don’t know. I was thinking maybe it’s possible to be in XRSpace and just look at random poetry.

That’s going through the database. Putting it together, we’d get three sentences out of it. We probably have to work in it so it looks differently because there’s just three copy-paste happening here, taking the three words together. Every word makes a sentence, I guess.

We just went through something where if I asked the question, if would ask something, how it is to fly economy class, then there’s probably ways to use a word…What do you call it? The word prompt, the word…?

I guess at the moment, it’s just this one idea that because there’s so much writing poetry that the way of interweaving, it needs to happen by some artificial intelligence. The way that needs to be something…You can probably explain it better than me.

Are you good?

Hi.

It could be simpler. Cool. Is Michael still here or he left?

It doesn’t need to have an engine font like that.

Mike Connor will present the project as a project in creation. We just have to see how we tweak it now so it feels right, feels good, and performs what we want to. Maybe it would look like the lottery poetry on that screen. Maybe it’s pass-along.

That could be cool. That’d be nice to have, because we are pre-recorded and then we have something that’s we have a conversation in space. It’s already visual because we recorded in XRSpace. That takes up how it looks like. We don’t have to think so much about that, except ...

If it’s in the cinema, we could just watch…

Could we link this in some way to the XRSpace? Is this something that…

It’s good just for me to understand it. I never spend time programming. I understand structure in different ways. [laughs] This is interesting. Cool.

I see. Now I understand.

In some way, the project could be asking topics and using all of the writing of yours to then generate a certain point.

I guess the first, I fly out Saturday early morning, something like that, is copy-pasted as a whole or it’s just put together…

I still hear you. I’m just…

How do we…

That would be super cool. [laughs] That would be very fun, actually.

Sometimes in my work, topics are really banal. Topic is about the experience of flying economy class. If I could ask, could I get something out of it…

But it would be a copy-pasted thing. It wouldn’t be a new combination of things.

I have a lot of topics, not so many, 10, 20, something like that. I could feed them into something.

Then again I wouldn’t want my questions or the simple questions that I wrote in May, which was just to kick start something, to go somewhere. At the moment, I wouldn’t want that to be defining the whole programming. Then it’s programmed, and a bit like, “Oh, I don’t know ...

I tried to send her something that she should read, but then she was reading something completely different. We talked about half an hour, reading different stuff, talking about different stuff. Maybe there’s a way to for me ask you questions.

In some way, it could be like, “Oh, there’s so much. I don’t even know how to read through it.” That was first feeling when I got that link. It’s so much, I just jump in here. I remember I spoke to my studio manager, and I said, “It’s just ...

It’s hard, but I would like the sort of thing that writes these things to be trained on Audrey’s writing and not being an intelligence that then gets a question and just swipes through Wikipedia to tell you what time it is or something like that.

I think that’s something. I don’t know what it should be, if it’s you speaking or we asking a question and there’s a question-answer type thing and a thing like that. The question-answer doesn’t make sense, and maybe that’s the poetry in that.

[laughs] I could go in that direction. When I looked at it, I also liked that some had two lines and some had four lines, some had five lines, but that’s just a graphical thing which I liked, that they’re bigger and smaller and say more, say less, but it ...

I like that you could also potentially print it out and give it somebody. I even like the fact that you have pay for the interpretation.

Yeah, we can do that. If I could add something, I really like the format of the lottery poetry. I just don’t know. I like it. I like even how it looks.

Of course, I always get very alert when people start talking about formats, performances, and equipment in the exhibition spaces because it’s a very little…

I’m very afraid when I hear Wikipedia, and it’s just searching the Web to randomly take content. It doesn’t sound like the right thing.

It sounds difficult to use those. It sounds easy and it sounds difficult. It has to be very clear.

Where are we now?

I understand more and more now that different corporations creating AI, language tool, whatever you want to call it. What I don’t want to is we create something which is making Audrey Tang just scanning Wikipedia, which is super boring. It needs to be the most pure, crystal form of ...

OK. [laughs]

I don’t know yet. [laughs]

What I understand as format now or talking to Audrey is that in order to achieve a result, we have to decide a format in terms of how many lines or how big the thing is going to be. Is it a A4 page? Is it three lines or four ...

It’s like a misuse of format in order to say something very precise but also keep it open, which is very special. This printed, it could exist…basically the alphabet together is the materiality. Whether it’s a performance or, in one year, a printer prints it out or somebody recites it, ...

I don’t know if we’re even going to be on the panel, me and Audrey, talking about the project. I think it’s almost going to be a prerecorded thing. I also don’t think it needs to be a finished project. Just going back to the poem, what interests me with ...

I think we should get more abstract actually. I think we’re almost too much on the format at the moment. I come from a very classical perspective. I work with very, very slow medium. I work with glass and materials, high-tech stuff.

It goes more into what you talked about, minting something in the digital realm. How do you fix something? Or, like a building block that you can’t take away. That’s what I like about the lottery ticket format, poetry.

That’s a nice way of describing it. I like that. I also like the format of the lottery poetry because it’s like in blocks, right? You have these lines, it’s ready, the next one is ready, the next one is ready. It continues, it’s cumulative, but not in the…just open ...

…distilling it down so you get the essence, anonymizing only because certain interview objects that you will have will have been talking about…The last one was about neuroscience, and then you talk about a famous person at the Max Planck Institute in Germany. The interview you got would be the ...

My interest was in her job description. It’s so accurate and so distilled, and not a cumulative…which isn’t somehow also like what ETOPS is. It’s actually more going a place, meeting the person, having the conversation and just…