The process can be part of the noticing as well.

When you say that it’s expensive...

I see this as a very dangerous move towards proposal. What I would like to talk a little bit more is a step before. Like, how can we make sure that we got...

When you want to propose something, it depends on you’re allocation of attention. Your allocation of attention, based on the information you receiving and also, the people you interact with. What if your echo chamber is limited? It prevent you from seeing the people’s view from other sides, even within ...

I think this is a very good idea. I think this also reflect to our conversation earlier last week. We talk about when you propose certain things, the stage before it is noticing.

Who are those people who set up the statements?

Sure, in regards to those...

Sure.

You just raised a very important point. How can we distinguish if the vote is really valuable? Am I passionate about that, or am I just doing this for entertaining? The question is, how can we tell? What are criteria that we can set up to evaluate that?

Yeah.

It’s a network of 70 civil servants across 34 ministries. We hope to use that mechanism to cut across the governmental silos and help people to work towards different issues more openly and creatively, not just within the circle but also onto the wider stakeholders.

Sure. [laughs] My name is Fang, and I’m a Service Design/Consultant at PDIS. One of Audrey’s agenda is open government, so I help facilitate the mechanism which is called Participation Officers Network.

Yeah.

I like the exits.

...before I leave, so sorry.

I’m sorry.

Sorry, Glen.

Right.

OK.

Hi.

Yeah.

October to November for one hour.

Sorry, I might have missed the period of time?

Lots of pressure. [laughs]

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because the news has draft the whole thing in a really positive way.

I think you spent five or seven years for that consultation, but there is not much information about the process, and how many people are getting involved.

More reach out. I think there is an organization that I am interested in to hearing more, because I saw the g0v news have wrote an article about the consultation that being hold in the UK, the high speed rail tube.

110 Gov and International Design Government. It’s a Google group that initiated by GDS.

Can it be more inclusive?

Just to add one more point also, the decision making before the delivery. Who get to decide what’s going to be delivered?

Then when they take those ideas forward, usually those stakeholders who have participated in the co-creation workshop, they are not necessarily getting involved at the final decision-making process. We are challenging ourselves, can we involve more stakeholders at the...

After that stage, civil servant, usually they can take those ideas that came out from the co-creation as an inspiration for them to improve the policies or regulations.

We work on the stage, and also, we are able to define problems, synthesize information and define problems. We will have co-creation workshops that invite different stakeholders to come up with possible solutions.

Also, the challenge that I mentioned about decision making. The process that we did during the research stage, every time, when there are issues being raised at the monthly PO network meeting, we started to work on the research material with POs and those other civil servants from different ministries.

Yeah.

They talk a lot about impact measurement. How can we actually evaluate or to show our impact, that can respond to the goal that reinforce the trust between citizens and the government? Measuring impact is something really important.