Thank you.

A little bit shorter, but I think we feed you a little bit more. With that said, please come. Mingle, talk. Cheese cubes await. Thank you, and thank you, Audrey, so much.

Thank you to all of you for coming. Geoff Mulgan, the only person I know who’s just as smart as Audrey, and who is also a Buddhist monk, by the way, in case you didn’t know that, and advised three prime ministers in the UK, is coming to talk about ...

I want to just ask you as a final question, then, to give us the big vision. We started with the worried fear about democracy. The future of democracy for you. Are you optimistic, are you pessimistic? How do we realize this big vision? Close us out, then we will ...

You can also go online to manifesto.crowd.law. Audrey has signed it. It’s really a call to all of us, to our city councils, parliaments and legislatures, to our technologists, and to each of us to play more of a role in the way that you have shown us.

...Social Innovation Lab, and this whole ecosystem of initiatives that really is a thicker, more active vision of democracy, I would just invite you please to sign the manifesto and leave it behind on your chair and we will collect it.

The idea of crowd-sourcing plus lawmaking, the idea of all of us can play a bigger and better role in engaging in how our governments make law and policy. If you like this idea of doing more things like vTaiwan, PDIS, the participation officers and the digital lab thing, which ...

For those of us on this side of the table who think and feel that voting once a year is not enough, and that we can do better. That we can do better in the way that you are trying to do in Taiwan and I think have shown us ...

International Day of Democracy is a UN-created holiday, for those of you who don’t know, which really tries to zero in and focus on one specific aspect of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights that celebrates its 70th anniversary this year. That is namely the idea that democracy, in that ...

The hour is getting late, so let me close this out in the following way. This past Saturday was International Day of Democracy.

Do we have any final questions? OK, you’ve earned it, cameraman.

Did you get Kai’s question?

[laughs] From the shadows.

Do you want to take that, or do you want to take two questions?

I saw a hand before. Maybe it was a nose scratch. My apology. We have one all the way in the back that’s next.

Then we’ll begin to wrap up. Do you still have a question? No? Kai, was that a hand for you? Did you change your mind?

I think we had two questions over here, is that right? Should we gather two questions?

We have two hands over here and in the back. [laughs]

We had a question over here.

You have two, one here and one here.

Other comments, questions. Please.

No, no, please. My phone just died, so now you have to ask the question. You don’t look anything like you do on Twitter.

Oh, you’re here. Ask your question.

More hands. I’m going to ask you a question off of Twitter while people are thinking. From Tamas in somewhere, writes...

More questions. In the back. I see a hand. Oh. Andrew. [laughs]

I won’t monopolize any longer. You do have an initial question coming on Twitter but I’m going to look for a show of hands in the room. I’ll ask you, if you don’t mind, to also pull up the hashtag because my battery’s about to die. I met you let ...

What do you perceive to be the greatest risks in this process, or is it all upside?

With the introduction of and the moving of so much of democratic life in your vision online, how do we square that with the dangers of, people always ask about self-surveillance, of privacy, the risk as we look at what China’s doing with regard to social credit scoring and potentially ...

I’ll do one more for me, and then I’ll save the rest of mine until we get a chance for everyone else to come in. I have to ask, because everybody always asks me about the risks.

What’s the experiment you next want to try? What haven’t you done yet? Is it scaling what you’ve done, trying something new, or both?

How do you ensure, though, that in any of the processes the information is brought to bear to make that decision in a rational way, based on data, based on information, and not based on irrational preferences?

If you’re watching this live-streaming, by all means send #IPK. For people in the room, you can have your choice, have your cake and eat it, too. Hooray. Thank you.

This gives me a moment. While they’re doing this, we’re getting close to the time in which it’s time for your questions instead of mine. We’re using the hashtag IPK, #IPK. Obviously, you should feel free to just raise your hand, but you can also send questions in via Twitter. ...

Although we can try to troubleshoot them in parallel, I want to ask you about the rest of the ecosystem. I’m sure there’ll be lots more questions that I haven’t asked yet or we haven’t the time to cover on the vTaiwan mechanics. I don’t want to run out of ...

Do tell us a little bit, if we can do it without... apologies for the visuals.

In your wildest dreams, does every piece of government action go through this process?

Does that explain the...I think someone else has said that 20 percent of the deliberation sort of happened on vTaiwan and have not led to decisive government action. Is that because of the lack of public service or just the participation or is the nature of the issue?

Check the input terminal.

[laughs] To which you have an answer to everything.

26 pieces of legislation, 200,000 people participating, how would you describe the impacts both in terms of individuals, in terms of the institutions, in terms of society? Are those laws better laws as a result of this? How do you know?

Wow. Let’s stick in with vTaiwan for a minute. I want to come back and ask you about the lab and the rest of this ecosystem. Talk to us a little bit about the impact from your perspective.

You can’t even bring government in. Look, you yourself went into government, so it would be wonderful to figure out why that happened. Did you take a wrong turn? How did you end up in government, and then being so good at convincing government become part of this process?

I’m really curious what how you’ve convinced public servants to participate, and importantly how you really had the idea that that was as crucial that it is. I agree with you completely, but it’s surely not a universally held view that they are key to the equation.

[laughs] Tell us a little bit more about how you have engaged public servants, how you’ve gotten them to participate. Getting them to the table may be even harder than getting the pizza eaters into the room.

For an anarchist, a self-proclaimed anarchist, you are remarkably concerned with government involvement and what government thinks.

Who pays for the pizza?

How much does this cost, by the way?

You may know James Fishkin’s work out of Stanford. He’s the granddaddy of this field who said it’s only legitimate we’re going to get a representative sample of the population, 400 people together in a room, and measure their opinion. Why start here?

Just complementing it, but it was a very deliberate decision to start with that component of the problem as opposed to instituting a citizen jury or something that used sortition or a random selection of a representative sample of people.

Who were those people who were participating? Were you satisfied with who has participated? Let’s talk about who those individuals are or how you got them a little bit, and why you think it wasn’t more.